BERNIE SANDERS FOR PRESIDENT IN 2016!!!

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  1. -j-p-shmorgan

    -j-p-shmorgan New Member

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    Why don't you explain your argument? B/c I could use some enlightening on how he has created all these problems.... :lol: :lol: :lol:
     
  2. mmm....shiney!

    mmm....shiney! Administrator Staff Member Silver Stacker

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    Why don't you go back and re-read my posts? It's all there.
     
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    mmm....shiney! Administrator Staff Member Silver Stacker

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    But just to help you out:

    * highlighted for clarity

    Edit to add: and just in case you don't understand, it wasn't actually Bernie Sanders who created the problem - it's a figure of speech.
     
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    I'm OK with an increase of governmental regulation, provided it's beneficial for our shrinking middle class.
    His concerns about China are valid. It's not that they are evil - it's that we need to be more self-sustaining.
    For us to have a booming economy, we need to increase our GDP dramatically & produce more.

    I look at the candidates, and it truly saddens me. Out of everyone in America, this is the best we can do?
    Hillary? Too many scandals, dishonesty, and greed.
    Jeb? Another Bush is the last thing we need. We can thank George Bush for ANNIHILATING the surplus he was given by Bill Clinton.
    In a world that's progressing forward....a conservative leaves us stagnant & behind the times.
    Trump? Christie? Rubio? Walker? Cruz? Paul? Biden? Do any of these candidates even remotely stand a chance??
    Which candidates are FOR THE PEOPLE, and going to create the political revolution that's so desperately needed to make this country great again?
    We need major changes in our policies & politics if we want to stay a superpower...
    It's my opinion that the greed in this country is absolutely destroying us from the inside out.

    Regardless of your position....there is a reason Bernie is drawing insanely massive crowds & will win presidency. lol
     
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    Find out what ron paul is saying about the candidates. Who he would vite for, then vote for that guy. (Might be rand paul, im not sure)
     
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    I'm glad you responded with more than just smilies.

    To be honest, I believe the vast majority of people think the same way you do and look to the likes of Bernie Sanders et al to liberate them from the deteriorating position in which they find themselves. But unfortunately Sanders cannot offer salvation any more than the scores of other voices in the wilderness before him or those yet to come. Whether they be Ron Pauls, John Singletons or David Leyonhjelms - to pursue change from within the system is an onerous and mostly impossible task. Put aside the fact that in order to even win a seat in parliament you have to promise salvation to a select few, cut numerous deals with special interest groups and in the end just have to have plain luck in order to win a seat. Then, once arrived at your new found place of employment you have to have the capacity to string together a series of logically developed and coherent arguments in order to raise the level of debate above the mundane before you even get a platform. A tall order indeed.

    Sanders is a reactionary. He appeals to the disenchanted with simplistic ideology and an appeal to the masses without actually explaining how he will go about fixing all the problems that exist. And he can't because he doesn't understand what is the root cause of the problem, he wants to approach the problem using the same worn out old policies that have failed in the past.


    So who are these middle class? Please define who are to benefit from the increased government intervention at the expense of others.



    So what do you suggest a government do?

    You do realise that in order to have increasing GDP all we need to do is increase government spending?
     
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    Good on ya shiney, you win again.
    Congrats, big round of applause for the be all and end all of final say on SS.

    Wollow in your wankiness.
     
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    -j-p-shmorgan New Member

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    "If Alexander Hamilton were alive today his name would be Bernie Sanders."

    Not sure if he realizes that Hamilton was one of the most important founding fathers for democracy.
    One of the most influential promoters of the Constitution.
    There's a reason he's on the $10 bill. lol

    In any case - I will agree that the President's powers are limited.
    Many people think the President has far more power & control than they actually have.
    He may not be the savior of America...but its my opinion he's about 10x better than anyone else running for office.
     
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    Do some reading about Hamilton, particularly in relation to his arguments with James Madison and the danger to liberty that Hamilton's policies brought about. And I highly recommend this book to give you an insight into the effects of an increasing State presence, which is essentially what Bernie Sanders is arguing for. http://www.amazon.com/How-Capitalis.../ref=tmm_kin_swatch_0?_encoding=UTF8&sr=&qid=

    Care to respond to any of my other points?

    @scrooged, thanks for your input mate, highly relevant, displaying exceptional insight and a well structured logically coherent argument. Here's a link you can look up next time so you can avoid spelling mistakes. http://www.merriam-webster.com/ :lol:
     
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    I know your position - you know mine - and it's going nowhere. :lol:
    Neither of us will be changing our stance anytime soon.
    I've spoken my peace in this thread already. lol
     
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    Good on ya shiney, cheers for the spelling tuition.

    Sleep well, I've given myself an uppercut for even having the thought (that you're a complete wanker) ever cross my mind.

    All good mate.
     
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    All good, but I do recommend you read some of the links I've posted in this thread and in the two other threads in which I've posted, the one about interest rates and the other one I can't remember. :cool:
    Any time buddy. The piss gets the better of us sometimes. :p
     
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    There were Founders and then there were Founders:

    Thomas DiLorenzo:


    How Capitalism Saved America: The Untold History of Our Country, from the Pilgrims to the Present


    Despite numerous setbacks on the way, it was the Federalists adopting the same creed that would eventually dominate the nation. In 1865 Lincoln was finally able to destroy any powers that the States reserved to themselves and despite what the republican founding fathers had made clear nearly a century earlier, assumed undelegated powers and forced the States to submit to a General government. As many historians have pointed out, the American Civil War had both everything and nothing to do with the abolition of slavery.

    Thomas Jefferson, The Kentucky Resolutions of 1798
     
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    -j-p-shmorgan New Member

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    You're still on about this?? lol

    3 words my friend : GO BERNIE SANDERS!!!
     
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    I'm posting because it is of interest to me and is evidence that the office of President is a usurpation of power. But unfortunately, this escapes you and you don't understand the fact that Sanders and all the other candidates are just frauds.

    Edit to add: and i keep posting because I'm a total wanker apparently. :cool:
     
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    Never heard of the guy before, watched the vid.

    Seemed to me Sanders was not advocating increased government legislation to clamp down on the divide between the 1 to 99%. Rather expose the intimate relationship between the 1% (big corporates) and Government. More an internal rebuking pointing to the destruction of the middle class and the contempt therefore Government has in not representing the people but sponsored interests. Corruption.

    The man seems to be at his age not self interested, but nation interested in pointing out a serious problem that un-heeded will fold the nation in on itself.
     
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    He's full of rhetoric, a socialist, intent upon spending other people's money.

    Video 1:


    0:56 argues for publicly funded health care as a right for all
    1:03 publicly funded elections (whatever that is) which apparently will solve the "problem" of wealth inequality
    1:11 cut defence spending (good) and then spend it on education (bad)
    1:38 free college and university degrees

    He spends most of the 2nd video complaining about tax cuts for the wealthy but he's confused, he bangs on about the deficit, about national debt but wants to increase public spending. ?????? :rolleyes:

    He's just your regular politician playing off special interest groups against each other. It's standard democratic procedure, it's the first course they do in Statism 101.
     
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    Public healthcare SHOULD be a right for all. Plenty of countries have successfully implemented this.
    Publicly funded elections - notice the difference on how Sanders raised his money for his campaign when compared to Hillary or Jeb?
    He's referring to small donations by the people for campaigning - not big corrupt lobbyists.
    We could cut defense spending, and use SOME on education while still saving $

    Increase public spending - as in - increase our wages, thus boosting the economy.
    Notice he mentions that 99% of all new money generated goes to the top 1% ? You think that's right?!?!?!?!
    He may be running as a democrat, but he's an independent.

    Out of all the candidates, who do you see most fit shiney?
    ALL OF THEM ARE EVIL & CORRUPT PUPPETS EXCEPT FOR BERNIE. lmao
     

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