Sorry aus, seems you've been fighting alone while I've been working. Although it may be better to go back to first principles it is probably simplest to start by quoting a bunch of famous people who have a clue: Can you see the common element? Quite simply the best way to get the opposite of all of these things and to increase our civil liberties is to return to sound money. Paraphrasing Mises "It is impossible to grasp the meaning of the idea of sound money if one does not realize that it is an instrument for the protection of civil liberties against despotic inroads on the part of governments and the banking cartel supported by the government". Ideologically, sound money belongs in the same class with political constitutions and bills of rights. I (and many others that I know) stack for the purpose that of aiding the return of sound money, thereby removing these negative, distorting, immoral, anti-liberty effects at the heart of our current system. If you haven't already realised, many of the articles and comments posted on these forums are effectively about how the current system is unsustainable and will collapse. (Some authors advocate that such a collapse is mathematically guaranteed although I still withhold judgement.) Some of your ideas that bang the same old 'wealth accumulation through negatively geared residential property' drum are fundamentally doomed and the people who will suffer the most are most likely those who get in last. Further, even though exploiting the system for your personal gain was a popular way for many people to suck the wealth of others to themselves some of us have moved back to the old ways of acquiring wealth namely work hard and/or work smart to make better products/services just like the good ole capitalist system encourages and rewards naturally. This is why stackers and people who buy gold/silver under the simple 'Permanent Portfolio' style approach are on different ideological planets. I have no issues with people wanting to do the PP-style investments but I don't see the need for them to bang on about how great it is to exploit the Ponzi debt fuelled schemes to steal other people's property by stealth. It is the antithesis of the sound money agenda. See also this thread Yippe put up yesterday if you haven't already. http://forums.silverstackers.com/topic-32236-civil-liberties-rest-upon-sound-money.html PS: Look a big post without a single swear word or calling someone else by a childish name.