Australia needs to prepare for a 100 year war ~ former army chief

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  1. hawkeye

    hawkeye New Member Silver Stacker

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    When people who were in Iraq at the time that the US invaded and blew the country up, destroyed the economy and impoverished millions, subsequently become upset with the West and start exacting revenge in terrorist attacks, dumbf**ks like Peter Leahy will start blaming that on "radical Islam" too, I bet. Nothing to do with screwing around with these people and their countries, oh no, let's just blame it all on "radical Islam". We were just sitting in our countries minding our own business and these people apparently attack us for no good reason other than their deity tells them to and because they "hate our freedoms".

    Are people like Leahy really this stupid?

    I swear, sometimes I just want to walk up to these people, hit them over the head and say "try using your brain for once in your f**king pathetic life you moron".

    Idiots.

    /rant over.
     
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    hawkeye New Member Silver Stacker

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    Just one big scam. They create the enemies. Then tell us how they need to protect us from them. And every couple decades or so they make sure to create a whole new generation of enemies from whom they now have to protect us. In a never ending war for "freedom" where we are gradually becoming less and less free.
     
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    Who were the "bad guys" in Syria (and neighbouring countries) again? That nasty unbearded Assad needed his "regime" overthrown so the US cheersquad (including Australia) throws it's moral support behind the "rebels". Even potentially arming them (though not officially). A loose collection of Australian individuals run off over there to fight as rebels. 2 yrs later, those "rebels" have seemingly turned a little nasty, spreading their nasty influence into Iraq which just happens to border Syria. In two years, those "rebels" have transformed into "terrorists" and not viewed so kindly by the US dominated media. Australia also sees the potential for its former adventurers going over to fight with the "rebels" as returning home to Australia as "terrorists". So for our protection, we now have massively increased surveillance laws put in place. Yet the sheep will never see how they are being manipulated on an ongoing basis, the sheep have the attention span of children ie 7minutes....long enough for a CNN (or CNN proxy) to spew a little more garbage into the media space. http://www.9news.com.au/world/2014/...rican-journalist-james-foley-missing-in-syria
     
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    Things are progressing as planned.
     
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    It will most likely be ASD lol, ASIS handle off shore Intelligence.
     
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    How do you explain what is happening in France, Belgium etc with regards to both these countries (and others) now having no go zones for whites, westerners and non muslims (infidels). It is even starting to happen here.
     
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    The Long War began well before 9/11. It was just a one-sided war until then. Al'qaeda were fighting the war in 1996 the first time they tried to bring down the World Trade Centre with a truck bomb in the basement.
     
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  9. SpacePete

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    I'd like to see a timeline of conflicts, wars and major police actions. Something easy to visualise.

    I found a timeline of United States military operations on Wikipedia, but there are thousands of entries going back to 1775 with both major and minor operations.

    There's no doubt we live in a state of perpetual war, a permanent war economy, but that timeline makes it almost look like we have continuous, overlapping perpetual military actions.
     
  10. AngloSaxon

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    And you'll see, Silverpete, the first war the US fought internationally was the Barbary War. The white slave trading Arabs of the Barbary Coast picked a fight on a nation with no navy or marines. And lost. And what was that war about? The Barbary Pirates attacked shipping of any nation not Islamic, who would not convert, or who would not pay protection/extortion money (called Jizya). Now that sounds familiar. Of course...that's the choice given to the Yazidi and other people of Syria and northern Iraq today. The same Islamic choice offered by muslims to George Bush. Once you ignore the choice, or refuse, you're automatically fair game and a target of the ummah.

    Thanks for pointing it out, it reinforces the fact we/western society need to keep fighting the same war over and over.
     
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    tolly_67 Well-Known Member

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    More of Anglosaxon's self written history lessons.
    You will find his book in the fiction section....next to Where's Wally?
     
  12. smk762

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    Nowadays, the coalition of the willing attacks any middle eastern nation that is not democratic (or voted in the wrong candidate), who will not convert, or who do not offer favorable trade terms and access to their strategic resources (called trading in US dollars). If you refuse the choice, and suggest trading in gold, you're automatically fair game and a target of the western media, weaponised drones and CIA agitators.

    Do we really need to keep fighting the same war over and over? Looking forward to when we run out of oil, there's nothing left to promote war over, and nothing left to fuel the logistics of invasion.
     
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    Please point out anything I wrote in that post that did not happen.
     
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    Hyperbole.

    Attacks any nation not democratic? I must have missed the wars we had in the last 30 years with Saudi Arabia, Yemen, Kuwait, Jordan, Egypt, Lebanon, Tunisia, Pakistan, Gaza, Eritrea, Mali, Chad...

    Convert to what? Atheism?

    Favourable trade terms? The Arab nations sell oil at whatever price we are willing to pay. And they paid in gold in the past there is nothing to stop them doing to again. Governments favour the US$, we can't help that.

    People have fought since day dot for resources. When/if the oil ever runs out there will still be plenty of resources to fight over, be it coal, water, land or tricobalt. War is a human condition.
     
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    Returned in kind.

    Maybe "any" and "war" was a bit too literal. Check that list though, and cross off the ones who've had some form of western interference.

    Saudi - US base on site until 2003, until moving to Quatar. Citizens less happy about the arrangement than leaders. Beneficiary of US military aid. Drone base reported on site 2013. I'd say these fellas are playing along. Democracy isn't really that important to the US in terms of strategic partnership if a countries rulers play along.

    Yemen - South placed on a US list of countries that support terrorism in the late 60s, but the north was on board. During 79 border conflict, US supplied tanks, aircraft and training to the north. Unified in 1990, and were blackballed for backing Saddam's play for Kuwait and opposing non-Arab foreign intervention, leading to the Saudi's deporting 800,000 back home, and Kuwait another 400,000. Meanwhile USA cut humanitarian aid, leading to food riots, and eventually a failed attempts at democracy followed by a civil war, which the south was attacked by the Saudis, lost, and the leaders fled into exile. The next election ran smoothly, with the northern candidate getting 96.2% of the vote.

    Kuwait - Helped keep the price of oil low, resulting in about 14 billion dollars a year in losses between 1985-89 for Iraq, who also owed Kuwait for loans during the Iraq-Iran war. 8 days before the war - U.S. Ambassador Glaspie:

    "We have no opinion on your Arab-Arab conflicts, such as your dispute with Kuwait. Secretary (of State James) Baker has directed me to emphasize the instruction, first given to Iraq in the 1960's that the Kuwait issue is not associated with America."

    2 days before the war John Kelly, Assistant Secretary of State for Near Eastern affairs, testified to congress - "United States has no commitment to defend Kuwait and the U.S. has no intention of defending Kuwait if it is attacked by Iraq."

    PSYCH! Fast forward to now, Iraq is defeated and US is Kuwait's major trading partner.

    Jordan - Unelected King publicly states 2003 Iraq invasion a bad idea, could "throw the whole area into turmoil", but provides covert support anyway. As of 2014, 88% of citizens view US unfavourably, second only to Egypt. Also a great basketball player.

    Egypt - September 2012 , Barack Obama - "I don't think that we would consider them an ally, but we don't consider them an enemy,"

    Lebanon - October 24, 2012, U.S. State Department spokeswoman Victoria Nuland - "The export of instability from Syria threatens the security of Lebanon now more than ever, and it's really up to the Lebanese people to choose a government that is going to counter this threat" i.e. play along fellas.

    I could go on, but as previously stated non-democratic isn't a deal breaker if you play along.

    Religion or system of government is irrelevant, as long as you play along.

    There are examples of heads of state suggesting a transition to gold or silver soon dying a violent death not soon after. Libya has a recent example. JFK signed Executive Order 1110, bypassing the Fed using Treasury silver reserves to back the creation of nearly $4.3 billion in U.S. notes. Less than six months later he was dead.

    So religion is irrelevant. System of government is irrelevant. We will fight for whatever we want, until it's gone, then move on to the next. But the less resources there are to fuel the war effort, the less our effective strike range becomes. It will continue until the last 2 humans can barely slap the last cups of clean water out of each other's hands.
     
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    I am not questioning the reality of the Barbary pirates.
    You have no idea what Islam prohibits or allows. Let me educate you. It is the same as Christianity. Slavery is not permitted.
    These pirates were common criminals. The American slave traders and slave owners were far from the path of righteousness.
    Christ would have abhorred slavery therefore the whole concept is ridiculous. True Christians would not have tolerated slavery. As it is with Islam.
    It is just that this concept does not agree with your preformed opinion.
     
  18. SpacePete

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    A permanent war economy maintains a state of perpetual war which fuels ongoing terrorism.

    Ultimately, perpetual war is not a war against terrorists or communists or drugs, they are just the manifestations of a more fundamental war against us all by those who wish to maintain existing power structures and wealth.

    Something interesting by George Orwell from his novel 1984:
     
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    ^ perpetual wars are only good for military industrial complexes, criminal bankers like Rothshild's and all others that profit from wars....at our expense.
     
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