Australia needs to prepare for a 100 year war ~ former army chief

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  1. SpacePete

    SpacePete Well-Known Member Silver Stacker

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    Perpetual war for perpetual peace.

    "...the restriction of civil liberties an unfortunate necessity for national security."

    Tony Abbot has made a personal address to the Australian people. Key supporters are backing him with media statements.

    Some choice extracts from the news this weekend:

    And the Prime Minister's message.... if you don't want to watch the video, I have added the transcript below:

    [youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wYKqKkitS70[/youtube]

    Interpret all this as you will.
     
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    Quote time:

    "We will bankrupt ourselves in the vain search for absolute security." ~ Dwight D. Eisenhower

    "The problem in defense is how far you can go without destroying from within what you are trying to defend from without." ~Dwight D. Eisenhower

    "Our government has kept us in a perpetual state of fear--kept us in a continuous stampede of patriotic fervor-with the cry of grave national emergency. Always there has been some terrible evil at home or some monstrous foreign power that was going to gobble us up if we did not blindly rally behind it ..." ~ General Douglas MacArthur

    Former US National Security Advisor Zbigniew Brzezinski argues that the use of the term War on Terror was intended to generate a culture of fear deliberately because it "obscures reason, intensifies emotions and makes it easier for demagogic politicians to mobilize the public on behalf of the policies they want to pursue
     
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    Great article on the topic, worth reading it all:

     
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    And a couple of notable points in the Prime Ministers statement:

    (a) Notice how the initial terrorism justification becomes more general: "those who have or are planning to commit crimes". Its no secret that the new surveillance and data retention laws are to be used generally. The spectre of terrorism is simply used to gain public support. The "planning" bit is interesting though.

    (b) And then: "stop the flow of money that supports these extremists in their activities". How broadly will this be interpreted? In the past, in Australia, we've seen claims of movie downloading being linked directly to terrorist funding. What other online activities will be linked to terrorism? And what other measures will be introduced to track financial transactions? What existing payment methods will be linked to terrorist funding? How will this impact anonymous transactions with cash?
     
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    "The first responsibility of every government is to keep our country as safe as possible."

    Bollocks! The first responsibility of every government is to represent the will of the People.
    He starts with a lie that trashes our democracy and follows up with a serving of sweet fear in the hope that we swallow the lie and come back for seconds.


    "And we are determined to stop the flow of money that supports these extremists in their activities." :lol: :| ... :lol: :)

    "And we are determined to stop th-" :lol: :) :| :rolleyes: You wish.
     
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    No. It's proper role is definitely not to represent the will of the People. Its existence is based on the will of the people, but it is instituted to serve the function of protecting individual rights by apprehending criminals, stopping foreign aggressors, and running the courts.
     
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    What's REALLY interesting is that the UK Prime Minister just a couple of weeks ago when announcing the "emergency Data Retention and Investigation Powers Bill" used almost the exact same language:

    Seems there is a play book for this sort of stuff.
     
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    Surely if people if people really wanted those things they'd engage private contractors to perform those tasks.
     
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    Does the KGB, CIA, M15 OR MOSSAD EVER TELL how, where and why they collect their intel or who they are targeting..

    ASIO should do the same.. The Australain SAS doesn't show and tell.

    Why warn those that you are targeting? Slowly, Slowly, CATCH THE MONKEY.

    Surely, AS A NATION, we are not going to behave as if we are frightened...

    Thousands of men lost their lives for what is claimed to be freedom for those that remain.

    Even Tony has stated that the men in the Great War gave their lives for King and country for a cause that they thought was right at the time.

    Indeed do not let us forget how wars start but whatever we do, we must never give up our freedom because of others who don't care about theirs.

    Does MSM do the right thing of informing us about what is really going on. I am waiting to see what happens with the bail in and the TPP at the G20. Will this get reported? Germany, just recently refused to sign up to the European trade pact, because CORPORATION LAWS WOULD RULE OVER STATE LAWS.

    ^^^^^^Laws like this take away our freedom.

    Out of the trenches lads....wait I just forgot whatever I say may be used in evidence..............

    Regards Errol 43
     
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    I use Rocco and Moose. They do the job just fine....
     
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    We need to find our very own joan of arc to slay abbot and win this 100 years war for us... Rinehart? Gillard??... Ehh were screwed. :(
     
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    Tony Muppet is doing what all politicians do, exactly what the U.S. tells him, good Tony, good Tony, sit Tony, Stay.
     
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    Therein lies the catch. Using a government entity to do such creates a geographic monopoly on such services and it ends up abusing its powers because incrementally it is more cost-effective for individuals to bear the burden of small additional encroachment than to expend their limited time and resources to fight against it (especially since there is substantial self-interest in the continuation of a host of institutions that form the everyday fabric of our lives even though they are corrupted and cancerous). The abuse is furthered by misperceptions about the government "representing the will of the people" and the perceived need for it to have a geographic monopoly on violence. It gets worse when everyday people believe that it is justified to use force to take away the rights of others or to redistribute wealth and rights to themselves and the government has been granted the privilege to make law.

    Edit: And people who really do want more security than what the government deigns to provide do pay for it now. That's why there's a host of independent security products and services available along with some private arbitration "courts". Providers are generally denied access to many markets however.
     
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    The last battles of a new 100 year war will either be fought by robots or by desperate, impoverished humans.

    [youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_4luJ0ZSqy8[/youtube]
     
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    If people want to go and participate the government should let them leave, just don't allow them to come back. I'm sure the Greens would fight to have them back though, the poor souls. Another measure would be to not allow them to enter the country to begin with, or at least create a law that enables government to boot them out if they commit crimes, promote anti-western attitudes etc.
    What's the point with data retention and other surveillance measures when you are opening yourself up to various problems by letting the nut jobs enter the country in the first place?
     
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    Did the USA want him to scrap the carbon tax? I don't think so....
     
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    Bloody socialists!

    :lol:
     
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    So what if an individual goes overseas to fight against Islamic fundamentalists?
     
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    I was referring to people from such countries who have used the excuse of "persecution" to gain citizenship. If they go back to fight then it questions their motive for coming here in the first place, obviously there was another agenda for settling here instead of the numerous countries that they passed to get here. If the country was so bad and they were in so much danger then why are they going back?
    Answering your question, if people go to fight against Islamic fundamentalists they can go for it. I have nothing against everyday Muslims but these guys are sadists, psychopaths, call em what you like. If someone thinks these types of people should be stopped instead of flourishing that doesn't sound like a bad idea to me. Less people like that in the world the better, no just Islamic fundamentalists but any people with that kind of mental disposition.
    This is just my opinion, if people feel differently then so be it.
     
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    What like being 10 years old at the time?
     

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