Anything That's Peaceful

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  1. mmm....shiney!

    mmm....shiney! Well-Known Member Silver Stacker

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    And one more for now, the Native American irks me a bit because it's usually a tool of anti-capitalism, but anyhoo:

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    UPDATE: By entering the code 'IPA', IPA members are entitled to a 15% discount. IPA members under 30 can get a 30% discount by entering the code 'IPA-C' (this offer is limited to 20 people).
     
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    Chris Berg, The Libertarian Alternative, 2016:

    There you go! Libertarians are happier people, we are optimists. While those that support the State are pessimists and are unhappy. :p
     
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    ^ I bought that at the Friedman conference last weekend. Have only read the first few chapters and skim read a couple more at this stage but is quite readable. He's not just regurgitating For a New Liberty or similar. Has a large Australian flavour/context to it.
     
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    I've just read the intro, he strikes me as a minarchist. Is that correct?
     
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    Yes. Just your standard, traditional Libertarian pre-Rothbard I guess you could say - or Classical Liberal. He mentions the other "flavours" of Libertarianism but says that arguing about which sub-school really "owns the word" is unhelpful since every flavour has far more in common than differences.

    I know that Chris is fully aware of the variants and could similarly debate all of the pros and cons of those, but I guess the purpose of this book is more to influence the nature of the political debate in Australia. Consequently this means discussing the role of government in our current world, which is to protect property rights, run a fair and accessible judicial system and provide national defence and police forces.
     
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    I'd be a happy man if by the time I die governments would be restricted to just those functions.
     
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    That's a bigger fantasy than the Twilight movies. Governments are becoming more and more intrusive into our lives and I doubt it will change in our lifetimes.
     
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    I go hot and cold on the likelihood. What ideas the millenials embrace will determine a lot as the baby boomers take more of a back seat but at this stage I think they are a confused bunch. They seem to be embracing the "sharing economy", piracy and internet etc but similarly seem to love the feel of the jack boot of government on their throats.
     
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    Happy to say I can not see that happening reverand:eek:
     
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    http://forums.silverstackers.com/message-918098.html#p918098
     
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    LOL Just one of our jackboot of Govt lovers :)

    We want people to be allowed to do peaceful things?! The horror. We need the government to take an inordinate interest in what we are doing in our bedrooms or with our bodies when we wish to go out and restrict it. People might be having FUN while doing things :O
     
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    Or, worse still, they might start thinking for themselves.
     
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    People do not need to think for themselves when they have you shoving crap down their throats endlessly reverand :D
     
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    Being a libertarian I'd always ask for their permission first.
     
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    imagine a boot stamping a human face forever...

    Seriously though I think the priorities of the generation I've got half a foot in are different. I think they seem to reject labels of any kind. You don't need a defined political construct to call the sort sort of horrific videos coming out of the middle east as dickish and people who should be stopped.

    Same goes for governmental overreach.

    I think there's plenty of change coming that will crystallize and make these vague thoughts more concrete. But they are open to change and equality and that hasn't been defined as a codified ism yet, which means that it doesn't have to be Sanders or Trump.

    There's simply no telling how technology, the coming fiscal reckoning, rise of the east, energy challenges and opportunities and any other number of things will turn everything on it's head.

    Confinement fusion gets cracked abs the world changes over night. I don't think there's been a more flexible generation in history better able to deal with the changes it would bring. On the other hand it leaves much to be desired if things turn ugly.
     
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    Well said.
     
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    That other thread seems to have been deleted, and fair enough too.

    Many opponents of libertarianism have misconceptions about it, and one of the most common accusations is that it is a utopian ideal. This was my response to that charge levelled at libertarianism from Roswell Crash Survivor, I thought I'd post it here seeing as the other thread has gone.

    David Boaz doesn't have a monopoly on libertarian thought. That aside, why he chose to use the term "Utopia" in the article you cited is something that Boaz himself would have to explain. I'd say any reference to a utopia in any literature, whether it is libertarian, socialist or religious is used to describe a social structure that is harmonious, or at least more harmonious than any current reality. Religious teachings aside, most political theorists, possibly even Marx and Engels themselves would acknowledge that perfection is unattainable. This is the meaning of utopia, perfection, and when it is wielded as an accusation by opponents against whatever philosophy is being tested, it is used as it is defined ie a state of perfection, when clearly every rational man and his co-rational thinking dog knows and acknowledges perfection is unattainable. My guess is that Boaz uses the term "Utopia" as shorthand for "the benefits of limited government and devolution of power."

    From Boaz himself:

    I've tried to explain that your charge that libertarianism is some Utopian ideal is in fact fallacious, libertarians are not deluded into thinking that they can create an ideal society. Libertarianism is not some magical cure that will solve all the social or personal problems of the world. I'd recommend you move on, and if you'd really like to debate the ideas that libertarians hold to come up with some rational arguments against what we really think, not what you fallaciously attribute to us.
     
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    Why is it fair enough the other thread was deleted? Just curious?
     
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    Consider the corporate perspective ie the owners of this site and any impact upon their business interests because of the nature of some of the posts.

    Edit to add: or even more simply, the owners don't want to listen to that shit.
     

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