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    mmm....shiney! Well-Known Member Silver Stacker

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    I'm talking generally. There'll always be instances of human atrocity, but in general we're moving in the right direction. We're getting better, for example the worst periods of democide are well behind us. https://www.hawaii.edu/powerkills/

    For sure there has been an increase in lifestyle diseases, part of the explanation is that we're living longer and have managed to beat many of the old diseases that used to take lives, yes many of us eat too much processed food, but childhood mortality rates as an example is probably the most interesting statistic. We're not going in the wrong direction at all, see the Gapminder thread.

    Dunno, probably. Everything evolves.

    That's a subjective comment. :p

    In economics it's generally accepted that wealth is measured by how well we can satisfy our needs and demands. The more needs and demands we satisfy the wealthier we are. Now what you consider to be important is entirely subjective. Legatum do a pretty good job tracking some of the indicators of wealth each year.

    https://www.prosperity.com/feed/2019-key-findings-global-prosperity-improving

    @willrocks, are you a Creationist? I used to study theology at night after I left school, fascinating and really interesting. I don't believe in any of it anymore.
     
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    And here's a great example of where 'kicking the tires' is extrapolated so far the it becomes unreasonably difficult to test in a real-life budget or timescale. This feeds into the hands of the pattern seekers, secures tax payer funding in the name of 'research' and is ultimately parasitic to the education system as these researches try to raise their profile because they can't do anything else useful to contribute to the field. And this is how you make a cosy, perpetual, externally funded career as a scientist doing sweet FA.

    I am ABSOLUTELY for testing the theory - that is what science should do. They should always try to make a perfect sword to test the perfect shield. NOT make sensationalist claims for selfish gain.
     
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    mmm....shiney! Well-Known Member Silver Stacker

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    Like trying to allay people's fears that 5G as an example has never been shown to be safe.
     
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    There are reasons to be gun-shy. DDT, radiation, asbestos, agent orange... endless examples where people were laid waste in name of progress. However, this does not mean each of those events were because 'the lizard people crafted it to be that way'. I bet if we had history again with the internet every event would have been Illuminati-ized by default. Occam's razor.. keep it in your wallet!
     
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    Probably why guys like these used to get a gong in every village and battlefield:

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    Mate, the ancient world never ceases to amaze me.

    ''For the past three years, no one wearing a mask has been killed,'' said Peter Jackson, chairman of the cat specialist group of the World Conservation Union. ''Tigers have been seen following people wearing the mask, but they have not attacked.
    The reasoning, Mr. Jackson explained, was that many species use a similar technique to fool predators. ''Butterflies, beetles, caterpillars have developed patterns that look like big eyes,'' he said. ''We know that this is a deterrent.''
     
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    I'm not 100% convinced of that. The events of 2020 may lead to a world where history repeats.

    If you've studied theology then you'd know life span was mentioned in Psalm 90:10 "As for the days of our life, they contain seventy years, Or if due to strength, eighty years" Which is about the same as today's lifespan (82.5).

    At around 100BC people were recorded as living an average age of 72 years.

    There have been fluctuations in lifespan through various periods of history. Some cherry-pick periods to fit their desired outcome. The truth is, historic records are patchy at best, and any perceived "increase" in lifespan could be argued based on the time period chosen.

    Like I said, it's a subjective measurement. Some people have less needs. Some people measure wealth differently.

    I don't study theology. I view most religious institutions as corrupt. I do believe we were created by a much higher intelligence, only because evidence suggests this. Darwinian evolution has too many shortcomings, especially in light of modern discoveries within DNA. Life is complex, not simple. Random changes do not produce complex machinery.
     
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    I'll take your word for it as I can't remember, it was nearly 40 years ago. :D

    Throughout antiquity there have always been long-lived individuals, my bad, I should have said life-expectancy has improved not lifespan.

    Interesting, I won't debate your assertion that we were created by higher intelligence as it's not something I really want to delve into. I prefer economics, the study of why we behave the way we do. Much easier for my brain to understand.
     
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    It's observation feeds pessimism, and I'm overly observant!

    ;)
     
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    Observations are important, but unless those observations are verified with facts then they remain unjustified opinion or bias.

    And when it comes to facts about the improvements in the human condition and the civilising effects that increasing prosperity has brought - the facts are undeniably supportive.
     

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