A fake?

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  1. 940palmtx

    940palmtx New Member

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    I know mate, drives me crazy. I've only purchased 2011s raw before. It was an impulse deal. I'm not worried, if it turns out to be fake, PayPal will hook me up with a refund.
    I sure appreciate all your input 25, I need all the help I can get LOL
     
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    Gap between 1 and 0 looks too big and that inside left arm still of concern.

    Possible misstrike?
     
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    Correcttion the gap is bigger on the lrg date variety, phew!
     
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    That's a point actually, different mints, different strikes... my 96 is a small date, this is a lrg. The one in Peters book is a small date. Seeing as the obverse looks genuine, I would buy. And a good buy! But it's only my 2 cents :)
     
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    If anyone has a 96 9th ASian Philatelic to sell, I'd be interested ;)

    Genuine of course ha ha
     
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    I have a great idea for the next competiton... you'll neeed a good eye ;)
     
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    Besides weighing it, does the 96 have a slanted reeded edge?
     
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    The small doesn't... don't think they came in til 2002
     
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    My 1996 has normal reeding not slanted
     
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    Bump for the US expert guys to answer
     
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    The 1996 at the beginning of this thread is fake, if that's what you guys are still talking about :). Yet another reason to stick with graded pandas.

    Also, angled reeding began with the 2002s, like 25grzzlies said.
     
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    How could you tell it was a fake? I can't see the details from my phone :(
     
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    The fur on the panda isn't right. The fineness of the fur is a very difficult detail for the forgers to get right.

    Stuff that struck me as weird, but did not look at in detail:
    angles of bamboo on left
    "10" in face value
    numbers in silver weight statement
     
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    The coin does look very plated and the fur looks weird but I attributed that to poor lighting... hmm
     
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    If you have a doubt, go with your gut :)
     
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    Thanks Tamo, so I have to go back to my original stance and say that this coin is a fake, wish I hadn't changed my mind. Hope you didnt buy the coin man.

    This is a great way to tell that it's fake and becomes glaringly obvious when compared side to side..

    A little spot the difference perhaps? My coin is on the right, it's ungraded though, soft plastic sealed and small date variety... not sure if small date makes a difference to the reverse strike. Hopefully one of of US experts can confirm or deny this.

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    Some differences I've spotted, do you agree or not?

    1. Chunky bamboo, the L) esp.
    2. Rounded rather than pointy leaves.
    3. Grove of bamboo doesnt look the same. ie leaves and gaps are all the wrong shape.
    4. Right ears too long.
    5. Right under big bears chin, horizontal line in bamboo.
    6. Area inside L) arm just looks weird, like the bears not leaning forward enough.
    7. R) foot of big bear proportions are way out (smallish) and not enough detail.
    8. Strange pointy eyes..
    9. Nose looks too small also.
    10. Can't put my finger on it but there's someting wrong with the facxe, like it's too 'bunched.'

    I haven't mentioned the fur, given the benefit of the doubt that the light's screwing with it. But I agree with Tamo, it's not right.

    Also, checked this user has no other posts of coins which makes him not reputable, red light. I'm wondering if there's a way these guys are messing with their feedback score, make them look better than they are.

    Sorry 940, hope you haven't paid for this coin yet. Or else get your money from paypal.
     
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    I will still buy it, if you want.
    Am going to cut it in half. Then we will know for sure.
    Sale price plus postage.
    Who said there is no market for fakes. Lol.
     
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    I already know for sure... although there is one last, very slight, chance that there are differences between the sml and lrg date reverses. Highly doubtful though as I haven't heard of differences between mints for the same design, if anyone can provide examples of this, that'd be cool. In my view differences of the same year between mints (other than the date) would cause a massive headache when working out fake/legit Pandas.

    I LOVE your idea of keeping the coin and cutting it up!!
     

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