Discussion in 'Current Affairs' started by mrsilverservice, Apr 5, 2019.
You think only Tesla are capable of putting fast chargers in existing carparks? New I should've bought Tesla.
And where do you think that these car parks are going to get megawatts of energy plumbed into their properties? Not through the existing structure of substations and power lines. As I said, complex systems and consequences.
Billy Boy Shortens electric cars are just another tax on the poor,how far has Labor fallen,they used to support the poor once but not anymore
Electric cars are certainly the future but they require massive infrastructure changes and will cause a whole raft of unexpected consequences. That have to take over the market organically at a rate that infrastructure can also evolve. Forcing them into the market and subsidising them and forcing up power prices is a recipe for economic damage across the board.
The future is already here. Most of the big car manufacturers have BEV cars coming out. They know they missed the boat.
Tesla already has a huge charging infrastructure. Inonity, electrify america and a bunch of others are being rolled out. We are so far behind even America it's laughable.
The vast majority of BEVs will charge up over night when the grid is relatively idle and battery installations are rising making it much less of an issue. Vehicle to grid and micro grids are coming. The old paradigms are changing again.
America has many, many nuclear and fossil fuelled power stations, it’s tricky to compare the USA to Australia when some of our states barely have enough generator capacity to avoid blackouts on hot days or in storms with high winds. Australia is not America and as I said previously you cannot charge a BEV overnight if you don’t have a garage and millions of people don’t, they park on the street. And with solar and wind power replacing high energy power stations there is not enough base load capacity to provide that sort of power at night anyway. No wind no power.
Which is why I said that you cannot force the uptake of electric vehicles in Australia faster than you upgrade the infrastructure to charge them.
Tesla has never made a profit. There are big structural issues to be addressed with the replacement of the country’s entire car and truck fleet and they cannot happen in a decade. It will take much longer.
I don't understand your post. You aren't Australian? This is the land of the quarter acre block? The vast majority live in discreet dwellings which would allow slow AC charging over night. We could do it more easily than most countries that are ahead of us.
Here is the Australian Bureau of Statistics figures.
https://www.abs.gov.au/ausstats/abs...2071.0~2016~Main Features~Apartment Living~20
I live in the inner city. Every street every night is filled with cars parked on the street. There are hundreds of thousands of cars parked on the street every night just in my suburb and the ones around me. There is easily a million cars in the city and suburbs of Sydney that only have parking on the street. There are thousands of terrace houses in sydney that have no off street parking. There are thousands of semis and small older brown and red two story flats with four dwellings in Sydney with no garage.
Marrickville council actively discourages off street parking on new dwellings and just allowed an entire boutique hotel with 60 rooms to be set up that has a total of four parking spaces. Four. Their logic is that if there is nowhere to park a car then people won’t buy a car. (Dumb left wing council). They actively encourage developers to build apartment blocks with no off street parking,,
You ask me if this is the land of the 1//4 acre block? Try telling that to the million or so people who park on the street every night from Bondi to Marrickville, Alexandria to Ashfield and beyond.
Add the population of inner city Melbourne and the other capitals and you are simply ignoring that millions of Australians don’t live on a quarter acre block and do park on the street every night.
Landlords are not going to stump up the cost of installing new wiring to allow any decent charging rate into their rental properties whether it’s a freestanding house or unit with a car parking space. Most unit parking spaces don’t have their own GPO and you can’t charge 3 or 4 cars from a single 10A outlet in a garage with double adapters. So that adds another couple of million renters to the underclass of people who can’t charge their car at night.
So in answer to your question I do live in Australia but I and millions of others don’t live in the land of the quarter acre block.
Don't get me wrong, I would love a decent electric car. I would love a Tesla as long as I had a petrol car as a backup.
Even in the home of Tesla in the USA there are so few service centres that many owners have to drive 100 mile plus to get to a Tesla service centre. Once their Tesla is out of warranty their owners are screwed as normal garages can’t service them and they have no access to parts anyway and Tesla just doesn’t look after its customers at all once the warranty is up. I can only imagine what it would be like to break down half way up the Pacific highway in a Tesla and be faced with a 500km tow to get it to a Tesla service centre in Australia if there even is one.
If govts can force everyone to buy a new electric car then I guess they can force everyone to build a garage and have a charging station too.
Just because it's impossible doesnt mean they wont try!
Just tell them your gas engine car identifies as an electric car and if they use the wrong pronoun you'll press charges......
Remember this is a government initiative. There's another 20 years before it happens.
It is implied in your responses, citing trivial issues that can easily be overcome... as a whole deterrent for pushing for more electric vehicles as a society.
Recharging for EVs will be very different to service stations. Not requiring dangerous physical fuels to be transferred means it can somewhat become less centralised. Like whats happening in California, kerbside vending machine style recharging at Cafes. Since it will have overheads and a profit margin, most people will be recharging at home anyway, so once again you're overstating a problem (that has a solution, remember). Google zinc bromine gel batteries. a few minute EV recharge times are foreseeable.
Details matter, but projected details matter more. We should be legislating for the future not just what we have here and now, or we will be left behind, literally.
mrsilverservice - You repeat antiquated statements and comments without reference or independent thought. Who is brainwashed? Isn't it called climate change? and hasn't it always been happening? Do you mean human contributed climate change? Yeah I question that too.
Business opportunity will arise if this comes to pass..ie 600k electric cars in 10 years.
Rather than stand at the traffic lights with a bottle of water and squeegee, one could get a group of uni students / FOB's and stand them at every set of lights on Parramatta Road - Sydney (one of roads with the most traffic lights on it in the world) and offer "top up charging" from my portable geni "$1 a minute charging" and play on people's new fear of "FORO - Fear Of Running Out" as they navigate the fun of Parramatta Rd.
I can tell you one thing for certain if this huge amount of tax payer money is wasted by Labor (again) on doing nothing electric cars plenty of people are going to be killed by these silent killers,I hate even being in a carpark with them
If I am going to be killed I would like to think I might hear/see it coming
I have an idea,people can sue Labor for lack of duty care for appeasing the weak willed group think lefty snowflakes
Wouldn't it be cheaper to just buy the growing number snow flakes a box of tissues each with the picture of a Tesla on it
I love Fridays
We already have been left behind. Thanks to the political left we are the only first world country that does not have enough electricity generation capacity to charge a national fleet of electric cars. Not nearly. And those same political left parties are planning to get rid of more power stations as fast as they can. Unfortunately our conservative party has no guts and bows to the left so that's not going to change.
Can't have electric cars without electricity to charge them. We need nuclear power, hydro and gas fired power stations if we are to remain a member of the first world.
I had better not use the term “base load power” when referring to modern civilisation, the leftists hate inconvenient things that interfere with their utopian narrative so bringing up “base load power” might get me branded as a member of the oppressive partriarchy.
If I were living in a house, I’ll install solar panels and use free electricity for the next 20 years and charge my electric car for nothing. Of course both of which are not possible in Singapore because 95% of people live in apartments and a Tesla model 3 costs a quarter million Singapore dollars after taxes.
Well there could be an upside....if we went 100% renewable there would not be enough power in the network for the lights to be on during the night, so the lefties could only protest for 1/2 the day.
BTW: Apart from nuclear power (which I support along with cheap coal), we could go totally green re base load power if the govt put more funding in to "hot rock technology"....its clean, it's green and on 24/7...shame the initial grants from the NSW Govt went to coal seam gas extraction in southern Sydney back in the late 90's rather than the university consortium who were leading the charge on this new power source.
This 2.0 pink batt Labor thought bubble is the best example of your taxes being wasted again by left wing socialism over taxing hard working Australians
The hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of billions of dollars Labor will raise by raising your taxes will achieve ZERO in anyway towards "saving the planet" as you know lets be honest
Socialism is a real enemy looking at the old Soviet Union,China,,Venezuela and Cuba as examples
Socialism is really good if you are the 1%,but for the 99% it is shit,forget about "electric cars" get on your push bike comrades
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