2020 Collapse

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  1. Jason1

    Jason1 Well-Known Member

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    Jap cars shit on Euro cars for reliability, parts costs and in most cases performance.
    They use common sense in what they make and are just a clever bunch of people.
    Why our stupid government made a massive mistake picking french sub prototypes instead of those Japanese Submarines that would have had USA weapons systems integrated.
    I would trust something the Japanese make over anything the bloody "I Surrender" french would and could build
     
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    alor Well-Known Member Silver Stacker

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    Singapore and Malaysia are probably too small to be involved in any serious expedition, probably just can guard the small Straits of Malacca for merchant shipping. Indonesia is really the unannounced hegemonic power in the region. They have an unlimited supply of fearless young men by virtue of religion and culture, not to mention a powerful modern navy.

    Technically, the whole region belongs to Indonesia and Malaysia and Singapore exists only because Indonesia allows it. At the moment, the political situation in both countries are friendly to Indonesia but if there are signs of "foreign interference", Indonesia will not allow it.
     
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    the point I was making to Alor, who was slamming the Japanese and praising China as some good guys, virtually signalling Singapore would be seen as Allies to China. lol
    which im pointing out, is not true, the fact Singapore is in the FPDA might contradict what he thinks china thinks of Singapore.
    they would likely see Singapore more aligned with us then they do with them.
    They wont be so nice to Singapore if china was togo to war with the west.
    he likely shouldnt be anti Japan Right now, they are after all allies with the US these days and Aus, and very anti Chinese. you may just find one day those in this region may need to call on the Japs to help out a bit.
    Singapore would be a prime location for a Chinese Base, lets not forget that, while friendly with Singapore I doubt they would ask to turn Singapore into a base, likely do what the japs did for the same reasons,and take it and with the same sort of force and brutality.
    Im pretty certain those man made Chinese islands are close enough for Chinese missiles to hit and they would placed them there for good reason.
     
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  5. alor

    alor Well-Known Member Silver Stacker

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    man made islands like the forest city, few hundreds meters away lol
     
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    Yes, I know what you're referring to, but the views in Singapore are diverse. We have all sorts of people here. More than half the people you see on the streets are foreigners, some are new foreigners. I've got a couple of neighbours from China, and some came from Malaysia, Hong Kong or Indonesia 30 years, 40 or 50 years ago. They have their own allegiance, which is not Singapore obviously.

    Take a look at the location of Singapore, it's smacked right in the centre of Indonesia which is 90% muslim. This isn't American territory.

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    alor Well-Known Member Silver Stacker

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    you are clueless
    when China confiscated Singapore tanks in HK
    have a guess who actually negotiated the release of those tanks, that trained in Taiwan and was transported via HK back to Singapore
    its very funny such things happened a couple of years ago
     
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    alor Well-Known Member Silver Stacker

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    here is the link to that https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=663391027889943&extid=FTPxwuZZx7FtwbQw
    Uncovering U.S. cover-up of Japan's bio-warfare atrocities
     
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    China isn't wrong on this. Anything that goes into HK belongs to China.
     
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    sgbuyer Well-Known Member Silver Stacker

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    A look back at history on how the native Indonesians will react to a Chinese Base in an Indonesian region.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mongol_invasion_of_Java
    This is Kublai Khan, the ruler of the Mongol empire, Emperor of Yuan China, that laid waste to the Middle East and Europe.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1740_Batavia_massacre
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indonesian_mass_killings_of_1965–66
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/May_1998_riots_of_Indonesia
     
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    alor Well-Known Member Silver Stacker

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    there is the same master mind in such actions, only the closely effected people knew these
    got the perpetrators to opened their mouths, but is too late
    usually the truth come out, but just too late
    it was the British that built a base in Singapore
    it was Mongol Empire that tried to expand to SEA
    it was the Japanese that gained control of Singapore, at that time was still Malaysia
    there was no where that said China, only majority of Chinese people are in Singapore :)
     
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    sgbuyer Well-Known Member Silver Stacker

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    The word Chinese can mean nationality or ethnicity. But there's actually no Chinese ethnicity. The ethnicity is Han, which is the majority race in China. In China, people often mention their race, Han, Korean, Dai. I once knew a Manchurian Chinese. When I met him for the first time, one of the first thing he said is he is Manchurian. So you can have a Korean Chinese, just like Korean American. The Yuan dynasty is Chinese even though the emperor is a Mongol, just as the Qing is Chinese.
     
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    alor Well-Known Member Silver Stacker

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    alor Well-Known Member Silver Stacker

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    its full of imagination all right
     
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    @alor :D

    That was a great map of "the world" :D

    You can now start removing that huge Greenland, Central Europe (all of it), Southern Europe (nor Spain, nor Italy have much weight despite their size/culture/population/history/industry etc.).

    For some reason Belgium, Sweden and the Netherlands (or is that Holland?) have the weight of "great powers" and I don't know why that is so... so, you can leave them on the map.

    Essentially, today the EU is only France & Germany + the 3 tiny "peanuts" acting like they're the "uranium" in the "EU soup": Belgium, Sweden and the Netherlands.

    Sweden is acting like it has the weight of Russia and Belgium believes they're the United States. Such a twist. Such an asymmetry.

    The Netherlands has the mouth of the entire former communist Europe + the entire Mediterranean Europe.
     
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    alor Well-Known Member Silver Stacker

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    there are many ethnicity in China, same as Indonesia, there are big group like malay n java but there are many more others
    so when there is injustice, there sometimes have internal fighting, only people there would know, outsiders don't get to hear the news
    supporting Japan as an aggressor against China for the pacifist, only the fascist would do such a thing and to be presented as the do gooder... when you fight on the other side, there is no way to be deceived. that is the reality
     
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    alor Well-Known Member Silver Stacker

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    Putin had answered on that map back in 2018, last part :cool:
     
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    Does communism still exists? There's no such thing as absence of social class in today's society.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communism
    How about Facism?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fascism
    American hegemonic power is waning. We all agree on this. The world is progressing to a new world order. Just as in the final days of the Han Dynasty (if you consider the world itself as a vestige of American hegemony), multiple regional powers will emerge. We're transiting to a multipolar world. No single superpower. Only many regional powers. The major powers are already in the making, Russia, Turkey, Germany, Indonesia, Mexico, Japan.

    The US and China are only one of the regional powers. While they are the biggest powers at the moment, as they compete with each other, hoping to be the sole global hegemonic power (for the case of the US, to retain the hegemony), the other regional powers are reaping rewards if both sides manage to weaken each other. Just as Russia will gain if there's a cold war between the US and China, as did China during the Soviet cold war.
     
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    alor Well-Known Member Silver Stacker

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    these are just labels, they can keep the name like CPC but practice Capitalist
    the other claims to be Capitalist but practice fascist and denying that to the bitter end
    they can say one thing and do many others things, "for every man be found a liar" the statement is still true since it was first spoken
    the only thing that can clean oil is oil (one end oil, the other end we call it soap)
    the double speaks like in 1984

    The term "fascist" has been used as a pejorative,[66] regarding varying movements across the far right of the political spectrum.[67] George Orwell wrote in 1944 that "the word 'Fascism' is almost entirely meaningless ... almost any English person would accept 'bully' as a synonym for 'Fascist'".[67]

    they try to hang their label on the other party every time, they would accuse others of what they themselves do
    its just political maneuvering to keep us all blur and lost :)

    left vs right
    both hands are attached to the same body, its all in the mind

    but if you get the idea about individual freedom at the top and down to the bottom where the state have all the power
    our situation of individual vs the state is constantly changing up and down

    and you will have the answer of that two sides are actually at the same place
     
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