which from my understanding can make a mould if they were cast fakes ..they have programmes now that can scan an object then replicate it on a CNC machine in any metal u like or make the die for minting they just need to do it twice because the first 1 is the reverse
Nah, I don't think a CNC would be the right tool to fake a coin, the drilling would leave a totally different finish from a die stamped product.
My understanding of basic counterfeiting is that precision casts are taken of the coins, and dies prepared from casts. Must be a two step casting process to get the correct relief.
Yes, with respect to the Panda's I've heard they user a pantograph on a larger denomination coin to replicate the detail as finely as possible.
Yeah, the less complicated designs are easier to fake. Morgans and Brittanias don't have any sandblasted tones, and are just reliefs, so it's much easier to fake those. Making a good fake of anything with tones (Pandas, Kooks, etc) would be much harder I imagine.
All I can say is I love the little panda set starting 2009. The 2009 panda started this new theme and I think they've wisely chosen to continue it into 2010 and 2011. I'll be buying at least one panda per year to keep this collection going. Its a nice set within a set. Pre 2009 panda designs just dont do it for me.
Unfortunately , yes, they can work with almost all materials and in near future will work with all materials, so far they r working with steel, titanium, silver, ceramics... Some advanced models can work with several materials at same time and make finished product, i read that they make working clock in one process,theoretically they can replicated themselves, expatiation is that this kind of products will be new industrial revolution. Even i am thinking to purchase one..... Some idea what they r doing at moment u can find here: http://www.shapeways.com/gallery
Wrong again, you would spot such a fake in a nanosecond. Minting coins is not that easy. Faking coins is even harder, because you would have to mint it from inferior metal and then plate it and it would have to look like an original. And if you're that good, then you probably have much safer and more profitable options for employment open.
faking coins is hard? tell that to the chinese who make the fake pandas. minting a coin is technology fron the 19th century its hardly technologically advanced unless you talking the euro coin or other high tech coins we are talking bullion coins
The only Pandas I've had serious trouble identifying are three 2000 coins I purchased off eBay. I was already suspicious because of the low price before I got them & from the behavior of the seller during the negotiations. So when I finally got them I went over them meticulously. Weight, dimensions, appearance, all perfect. The thing that made feel highly suspicious was the packaging. No mint seal, just a plain airtight capsule. They now form part of my "Still a bit suss" collection. Oh forgot to say that generally when you hold a fake next to a known genuine Panda coin the difference is quite obvious. Very different luster.
Yeah I guess could justify that level of inspection due to the high value. Have you got your hands on one yet ?
Several dealers have offered their services for testing - if you're really keen, drop them in the post with return postage and I can take them to W Davis to be checked.
Ha ! Thanx GP, not really keen to discover they're excellent fakes right now, think I will admire them for just a bit longer.
Got my coins from Apmex! I was pleasantly surprised how much more beautiful they are in person. In my opinion, the mirror like / proof-like finish is even better than the lunars'. To each his own I guess. I'm just happy to add them to my collection.
I've seen such fakes and you can spot them a mile away. They smell bad and leave your hands dirty. Besides we're talking about faking Pandas not some old coins which don't have to look new and shiny.
