1987 Billy Meier foretold Russia will attack & conquer Iran & Turkey

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  1. Skyrocket

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    About 12 years ago when I first read that Meier prophecy pertaining to Russia attacking/invading Iran, I thought to myself why would Russia attack Iran if they are both supposed to be allies. Now that this deal between the US and Iran has just happened, I now see how this could come about. Russia has an enormous amount to lose. This excellent articule that was just published explains it well. A must read and is something that we should all be deeply concerned about -




    IranRussia relations
    Since the fall of the Soviet Union, the two neighboring nations have generally enjoyed very close cordial relations. Iran and Russia are strategic allies and form an axis in the Caucasus alongside Armenia.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran–Russia_relations


    Obama & Iran Deal Behind the Curtain
    July 14, 2015 by Martin Armstrong


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    Whenever there is some political deal, it is NEVER what they present to the public with such magnanimous fanfare. There is always a hidden agenda. Here, Obama tells the American people this deal will prevent Iran from gaining nuclear weapons. Why the sudden change of heart? Surely, negotiations could have produced the same result five years ago. Ah they will claim the sanctions worked. But is it suddenly the sanctions working or is there a darker inner truth? You have to clear the stench left behind by the lies.

    This sudden deal with Iran is actually Part II of an attempt to cut off Russia and isolate it. This is part of Obama's New Cold War against Russia. Part I was to prevent Syria from blocking a pipeline to be constructed through its territory to deliver Saudi gas to Europe to compete with Russia. Hence, we heard about the atrocities of the Syrian dictator and their people suddenly needed American troops to intervene, as did Iraq and Afghanistan. The entire Syrian folly was of course to overthrow the government to allow the pipeline to cut off Russia from selling gas to Europe. Cut off Russia's energy market and you will starve the Bear.

    Russia is worried about the consequences of the upcoming sale of Iranian gas to the European Union a project originally imagined by the United States so that Brussels would be able to do without Russian gas. Nonetheless, from Moscow's perspective, the risk of an Iranian deal only exists in the short-term. Russia is progressively turning away from the European Union, and in the medium term, will be selling her gas to China. Russia is rapidly reinforcing the gas pipelines through Siberia. In compensation for the sale of Iranian gas instead of Russian gas in Western Europe, Teheran has agreed to buy an enormously expensive quantity of Russian weaponry. The weapons will mostly be S-400 anti-air missiles, capable of destroying any flying object.

    So all of a sudden, Teheran is worthy of a deal. This has nothing to do with preventing Iran obtaining nuclear weapons. That is the fluff for distraction. This is still the policy of Obama to try to isolate Russia. Meanwhile, this policy has merely forced a stronger bond between Russia and China a really dumb move. Both China and Russia would love to dethrone the dollar and strike the USA where it hurts economically. Nobody is really interested in waging nuclear war. That may not always be the case if the economy melts-down.

    What we are looking at is Part II, not a deal exclusively about nuclear weapons. Of course, the sanctions on Russia is part of the mix behind the European economic decline. The same is true of Cuba. Why all of a sudden end the Cold War with Cuba? To prevent Russia from reusing that as a base to get closer to the USA.

    http://www.armstrongeconomics.com/archives/34941







    In light of the recent event/deal between the US and Iran, I am just posting this here now so when/if it happens no one here can say that Meier simply back dated this into his WW3 Henoch Prophecies. I am showing the photos of my 2004 Meier book as hard proof because copyright is copyright and will even win as proof in a court of law -




    Billy Meier - Henoch Prophecies

    Official Contact Report 215, Saturday, February 28, 1987, 2.09 am


    248. Yet Russia will not rest and will attack Scandinavia, and in doing so will embroil all of Europe. And months before that, a terrible tornado will have swept across northern Europe, causing great devastation and destruction.

    249. It must still be stated that the Russian attack will occur during the summer, in fact, starting from Arkhangelsk. Denmark will not be dragged into the war, due to the insignificance of this country.

    250. Yet Russia will not be satisfied with this action of war, as her will for expansion will be ravenous.

    251. And consequently Russia will launch a military attack against Iran and Turkey and will conquer these two countries in bloody fighting, causing enormous destruction.

    252. In the Russian expansionist mentality will also be included the drive to gain control of the Middle Eastern oil deposits as well as to gain control of the southeastern region of Europe. Therefore, she will also invade the Balkans and conquer these countries there in enormous battles, causing ruthless and devastating destruction with many deaths.


    http://www.theyfly.com/henoch-prophecies




    Here is the solid proof in the form of a 2004 copyright published Billy Meier book called "And still they fly". In that book was Meier's prophecies relating to World War 3 called "The Henoch Prophecies" which is where I am quoting all these from. I also posted the whole entirety of the Henoch Prophecies towards bottom on first page of this thread too.



    First here is the book still up for sale on Amazon and notice on front page it says it contains "The Henoch Prophecies" -



    And Still They Fly! Paperback February, 2004


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    http://www.amazon.com/Still-They-Fl...1442536907&sr=8-1&keywords=and+still+they+fly



    And here are pictures of that/my book that I have had since then (pardon the ciggy paper) -

    My book -


    cover-min.jpg



    The copyright page -



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    And the page that mentions all these prophecies that this thread is about - Russia attacking Iran and also Scandinavia (which Russia recently did a huge costly mock invasion of) -



    Russia-min.jpg




    I also circled Archangelsk there too. Meier foretold that Russian troops would be moved there and this actually occurred in 2011 and is one of the things that this formerly skeptical scientist below was astonished by (it is the first thing he was questioned about in clip)-




    Scientist astonished at Billy Meier's prophetic accuracy

    Formerly skeptical professor, physician and physicist endorses extraterrestrial contactee Billy Meier's predictions about Russian troop movements.

     
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    just a reminder, it was not only US and Iran deal
    It was U.K., France, Russia, China, Germany and U.S. deal.
     
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    Don't let facts get in the way of a good prophecy.
     
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    Yep, but who knows what is really going on behind closed doors?

    Russia gets something out of it just like the US is aiming to do too. The last six months Russia has struck three significant nuclear deals with long time U.S. Middle East allies, effectively capitalizing on regional distrust of Iran.

    I think it is all going to end pear shaped in the end. Hopefully it does not lead to world war 3.
     
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    That's funny stuff. :lol:
     
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    Similar thing happened with the Syria situation. The public did not know the truth of what was really going on there or what it was really all about. The US rallied other nations including Russia (who agreed) to do something about the Syrian government using chemical weapons which turned out to be US/Nato backed Syrian rebels using them. Then in the end Russia came to the rescue with that deal to stop the US/Nato invasion of Syria for now. Everyone was lied too. Same old, same old, and now they are in Iran. It's a "deal" but how is this one going to end? Hopefully not as Meier prophecized it would/could unless we take the right course of action to avert it, but do we have the wisdom to do so?

    Early last decade USA 4 star General Wesley Clark revealed the US's plan (near start of video below) to take out 7 countries in 5 years starting with Iraq, Syria, Lebanon, Lybia, Somalia, Sudan and finishing with Iran. Didn't go exactly according to their plan but things have unfolded in that direction with those states. (And who knows what Russia's grand plan is?)



    The Syrian War What You're Not Being Told

    [youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dkamZg68jpk[/youtube]




    The Geopolitics of World War III

    [youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TC3tINgWfQE[/youtube]
     
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    I had to laugh at this part. Did the aliens really say this or does Billy have a vendetta against Denmark? And if the aliens did say it, then isn't a bit funny of them to explicitly mention a country just in order to belittle it for its insignificance?
     
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    Billy Meier's ET contacts gave him those prophecies and they are not trying to belittle anyone, just help humanity avoid WW3 which will result in two thirds of people on planet dying. I know how that all sounds like far fetched and ludicrous. I was like that/you when I first came across the case. I laughed, but as I studied further into the case I realized Meier couldn't possibly be faking all this, especially the 5 categories of pyshical evidence/material Meier submitted for testing at various top scientific laboratories which all came back as "not fake".


    Let me point something out to people here about another thing up there in my first post because I'm sure most here did not click onto noticing it that was also prophecized there.

    Look at the first numbered sentence up there -


    248. Yet Russia will not rest and will attack Scandinavia, and in doing so will embroil all of Europe. And months before that, a terrible tornado will have swept across northern Europe, causing great devastation and destruction.



    Now read this Daily Mail articule that was published 3 weeks ago on 26 June 2015 -


    Russia has rehearsed an invasion of SCANDINAVIA which, if carried out, would prevent NATO from reinforcing the Baltic states, claims US security report


    - 33,000 Russian soldiers reportedly involved in mock invasion
    - 'The Coming Storm' is by US-based Center for European Policy Analysis
    - It reports simulated takeovers on Danish and Finnish Islands
    - Russian takeover could be too fast for NATO to react


    A mock invasion of Sweden and Norway has been carried out by 33,000 Russian troops, a US security think tank has claimed.

    Tens of thousands of soldiers rehearsed a military takeover of Swedish and Norwegian territory near the Baltic Sea in March, security expert Edward Lucas said in a report for the US-based Center for European Policy Analysis (CEPA).

    The exercise also simulated the invasion of other areas including the Danish island of Bornholm, Finland's Swedish-speaking land islands, and northern Norway, according to the report, The Coming Storm.


    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ing-Baltic-states-claims-security-report.html




    Another co-incidence?

    Or did Meier just back date that into his prophecies like some of his skeptics falsely resort to claiming?

    Firstly, there was no back dating as Meier releases his contact reports in "copyright published" block/book form for anyone to buy. And I showed the photo proof from my 2004 book.

    As I said before, I laughed when I first came across the case. I'm not laughing anymore, and neither are these scientists below -






    Scientist astonished at Billy Meier's prophetic accuracy

    Formerly skeptical professor, physician and physicist endorses extraterrestrial contactee Billy Meier's predictions about Russian troop movements.









    NASA Engineer: The Billy Meier UFO Case Is Real - May 20, 2014

    Matthew Wieczkiewicz - who supported NASA projects like Space Shuttle, International Space Station, working for Boeing and Honeywell - endorses Swiss UFO contactee,

    Matthew Wieczkiewicz, a career aerospace engineer, has publicly endorsed the authenticity of the Billy Meier UFO case, ongoing in Switzerland for over 72 years.

    "I first encountered the Billy Meier case when I was studying aviation at ASU, in 1978. I was also interested in the UFO phenomenon, and when the Meier photos were first released, I thought they were intriguing. But I fell for the CIA disinformation campaign, which called them a hoax. So I paid no attention to it for another 30 years, though I maintained an interest in the UFO phenomenon in general. Then, in 2011, I saw an article on a news website that mentioned one of Billy Meier's claims had come true. So I went back and rediscovered the case and was surprised to see how much information is available compared to 1978. I went in with an open mind and spent the better part of 18 months reading all the material I could find and finally came to the conclusion that it is real," said Wieczkiewicz.

    http://www.theyfly.com/nasa-engineer-billy-meier-ufo-case-real-may-20-2014



    Matthew Wieczkiewicz's resume regarding work with NASA, International Space Station, Space Shuttle, Boeing, Honeywell Space Systems, McDonnell Douglas, etc -

    http://www.theyfly.com/NASA-Engineer.html







    Contact - 'Billy' Eduard A. Meier Documentary by Wendelle Stevens (1978)






    2007 - The Silent Revolution of Truth - Full length Billy Meier Documentary
    Writer/Producer - Michael Horn







    Can a simple one armed Swiss farmer seriously get away with hoaxing and fooling all these scientific experts and top laboratories? If so, then Meier must be a super genius in dozens of different fields to accomplish this. This would be even harder to believe then to believe his ET contacts are real.



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    What is Meier's view on global climate change?
     
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    Half natural, half man made.






    Scientific Experts' Comments on Meier's Evidence



    David Froning: At the time, Dr. Froning had already spent 25 years as an astronautical engineer at McDonnell Douglas in highly classified military defense and, in 1979, became interested in Meier's accounts of Plejaren starship travel, which mentioned tachyon propulsion. Dr. Froning found Meier's account of tachyon propulsion (which was only beginning to be discussed by a very small and select group of theoretical physicists), and his calculations for above light speed travel to be amazing. In 1983, he was pursuing his Quantum Interstellar Ramjet idea (JBIS vol. 33, no. 7, July 1980; AIAA 81-1533, July1981; IAF-85-492, October, 1985) and plugged in his Quantum Ramjet performance equations, assuming: a given starship density, vacuum energy conversion efficiency (in transforming positrons and electrons within the quantum vacuum into photons), and vacuum energy conversion scales of distance of the order of the Compton wavelength. The resulting vehicle acceleration enabled achievement of almost light speed in about 4.3 hours and deceleration from light speed in about 4.3 hours. Meier said that the elapsed time during the "hyperspace jump" took only several seconds. Thus, trip time between the Pleiades star cluster and Earth with Froning's slower-than-light Quantum Ramjet Drive plus a hypothetical tachyon drive would be 8.6 hours, which was within 20% of the Plejaren trip time reported by Meier. But, while Froning's calculations were based on many arbitrary assumptions, and in no way proved the truthfulness of Meier's account (since it was a theoretical system he was working on, only time will tell as to which are correct) Froning was somewhat startled that his arbitrary flight time computations were within 20% of the flight time mentioned by Meier. Regarding the Meier material, Dr. Froning also publicly stated that, "My colleagues and I may have made breakthroughs in our understanding of possibilities and ways for traveling faster than light from Billy Meier's accounts of his encounters with the Plejarens." He also said, "If what this Meier is saying is just a hoax, he's being cued by some very knowledgeable scientists. I've only discussed this Meier case with scientists who are fairly open-minded about interstellar flight, but I'll tell you, the majority of them think it's credible and agree at least part, or sometimes all, of the things talked about by the Pleiadians." (Pleiadians/Plejaren name of Billy ET contact friends)

    Eric Eliason: U.S. Geological Survey in Flagstaff, Arizona, created image-processing software so astrogeologists can analyze photographs of planets beamed back from space, spent two years producing the intricate radar map of cloud-covered Venus acquired by Pioneer 10: "In the photographs there were no sharp breaks where you could see it had been somehow artificially dubbed. And if that dubbing was registered in the film, the computer would have seen it. We didn't see anything."

    Robert Post: JPL photo laboratory for 22 years, was the head of that lab in 1979, and oversaw the developing and printing of every photograph that came out of JPL at the time: "From a photography standpoint, you couldn't see anything that was fake about the Meier photos. That's what struck me. They looked like legitimate photographs. I thought, 'God, if this is real, this is going to be really something."

    Dr. Michael Malin: Principal investigator for the Mars Orbiter Camera on NASA's Mars Global Surveyor spacecraft at Malin Space Science Systems (MSSS), San Diego, CA. Analyzed Meier's photographs in 1981: "I find the photographs themselves credible, they're good photographs. They appear to represent a real phenomenon. The story that some farmer in Switzerland is on a first name basis with dozens of aliens who come to visit him ... I find that incredible. But I find the photographs more credible. They're reasonable evidence of something. What that something is I don't know." Malin also said, "If the photographs are hoaxes then I am intrigued by the quality of the hoax. How did he do it? I'm always interested in seeing a master at work."

    Stephen Ambrose: Sound engineer for Stevie Wonder, inventor of the Micro Monitor radio set and speaker that fits inside Wonder's ear, analyzed the Meier sound recordings of one of the UFO's as it hovered above him. Not only was he unable to duplicate the sounds with synthesizers, he found they created totally unique patterns on a spectrum analyzer and on the oscilloscope. Another sound engineer named Nils Rognerud corroborated Ambrose's findings. Think about this for just a moment, these experts, using state-of-the-art equipment, were unable to duplicate the sounds and the unique patterns they generated.

    Wally Gentleman: Director of Special Effects on the Canadian Film Board for ten years, director of special photographic effects for Stanley Kubrick's film 2001, had viewed Meier's 8mm film segments of the UFO's. Showed that the manpower and costs to fake the films were clearly beyond Meier's reach: "My greatest problem is that for anybody faking this" (referring to one of the photographs) "the shadow that is thrown onto that tree is correct. Therefore, if somebody is faking it they have an expert there. And being an expert myself, I know that that expert knowledge is very hard to come by. So I say, 'Well, is that expert knowledge there or isn't it there?' Because if the expert knowledge isn't there, this has got to be real."

    Nippon TV: Did their own examination and also came to the conclusion that there were no models, special effects or hoaxing involved in Meier's films.

    Marcel Vogel: Research chemist for IBM for twenty-two years, held thirty-two patents, and invented the magnetic disk coating memory system still used in IBM disk memories. A specialist in the conversion of energy inside crystals, Vogel probed crystalline structures with the most complete optical microscopic equipment available in the world - a system of scanning electron microscopes costing $250,000. Lieut. Col. Wendelle Stevens, USAF (Ret.): One of the original investigators in the Meier case. In 1979, he sent Vogel crystals and metal samples Meier had received from the Plejarens. Vogel reported, "When I touched the oxide with a stainless steel probe, red streaks appeared and the oxide coating disappeared. I just touched the metal like that, and it started to deoxidize and become a pure metal. I have never seen a phenomenon like that before." Of another metal sample containing nearly every element in the periodic table, Vogel stated, "Each pure element was bonded to each of the others, yet somehow retained its own identity." X-ray diffraction and spectral analysis revealed both Thulium and Rhenium. "Thulium exists only in minute amounts. It is exceedingly expensive, far beyond platinum, and rare to come by. Someone would have to have an extensive metallurgical knowledge even to be aware of a composition of this type", said Vogel. At 1600 X Vogel said, "A whole new world appears in the specimen. There are structures within structures - very unusual." At 2500 X he found that the sample was, "metal, but at the same time ... it is crystal!"

    Vogel put the full weight of his expertise in these summary comments: "With any technology that I know of, we could not achieve this on this planet! I could not put it together myself, as a scientist... And I think it is important that those of us who are in the scientific world sit down and do some serious study on these things instead of putting it off as people's imagination." Again, here is another top-level scientific specialist who is unable to duplicate the material presented to him by Meier.


    http://theyfly.com/Scientific_Experts.html




    Please check out these two excellent Billy Meier documentaries -


    Contact - 'Billy' Eduard A. Meier Documentary by Wendelle Stevens (1978)




    2007 - The Silent Revolution of Truth - Full length Billy Meier Documentary
    Writer/Producer - Michael Horn




    Scientist astonished at Billy Meier's prophetic accuracy

    Formerly skeptical professor, physician and physicist endorses extraterrestrial contactee Billy Meier's predictions about Russian troop movements.

     
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    On a serious note, I had already looked at all that stuff you posted (after seeing some of your Billy Meier threads) and remain sceptical.

    Has Billy ever asked his mates for the lotto numbers? I know that would seem greedy at first and shunned by our overlords, however I think if he rationalised it by saying that it would allow him more time to spread their message, they would willingly comply.

    Actually now that I think about it .... txt Billy and let him know that to win me over (and quite a few others no doubt) that he should ask his mates for the lotto numbers for three consecutive weeks. If he wins three in a row, then I'll have no choice but to believe him. Donate the cash to charity if he feels guilty about winning all that dough.
     
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    The problem is that it is equally plausible that Meier is taking the piss. It could all be a big joke that had been taken too far, like Hubbard joking about starting a completely ridiculous religion, and then we end up with the insanity of Scientology.
     
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    Billy Meier shuns money, lives a simple lifestyle and he would not do that for you or anyone else, not even himself. (Meier actually turned down a $1 million offer by some movie director or something. Can't recall exactly who it was from but I know it happened)

    Even if he were to do that for you, which he won't, but if he did, it would only change one person's belief in the case and not worth it.

    But it is not necessary because there is more then enough evidence and material in the case for people to examine/study for them to make their own decision whether the case is real or not. It would be helpful if people dropped the UFO giggle factor and looked at the case with a clear open mind, and also be analytical and logical in their thinking and approach to it. But not approach it with a skeptical mindset because that is a mindset that has already made it's mind up and will surely only find things that the CIA and others deliberately planted in the case to discredit it - such as what happened above to NASA Engineer, Matthew Wieczkiewicz. A skeptical mindset will generally only first look for things to reinforce that belief of the case being a hoax.


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    Hubbard had NO proof whatsoever about he's ET's and Scientology, and especially not physical material/evidence like Meier has. There is a big difference there between the two - one has NO proof whatsoever and the other has stacks of it, much of it verified in labs.
     
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    Unfortunately Meier's stuff is not verifiable in any labs because it "dissapeared" with no explanation. Was it ever explained who had the technology to remotely extract specific objects from someone's pocket? And why?
     
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    The results of the findings of all the materials tested is still there in that 1978 "Contact" film. Or don't those scientists results of their testing count anymore? There is also all the UFO photos, film segments, sound recordings out there for all to see that are all still irreproducable. Some (expert model makers) skeptics have tried to reproduce them but they refuse to submit them to the same stringent laboratory testing that was done with Meier's. Micheal Horn challenged them to do that but they refused because they knew the results would come back as being fake small models.
     
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    I'd be more interested in the Iranian position , within the Shanghai Coperation Organisation and that organisations growing power. Russia has recently agreed to retrofit several nuclear facilities to meet the new agreement and may still sell a major anti aircraft missile system to Iran so I'm not sure attacking Iran would be in Russia's best interest for the forseeable future.
     
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    Just posting the entire Henoch Prophecies here now so I don't have to pull out bits and pieces and start new threads every time something happens to prove that Meier prophecized it first. I can refer things back to here to show the date of this post as proof there was no back dating.




    Henoch Prophecies

    Official Contact Report 215, Saturday, February 28, 1987, 2.09 am



    Quetzal: Before I give you a clear account of the prophecies of Henoch, I would like to point out that prophecies are always changeable and can be changed for the better if man makes positive changes in his thoughts, feelings and actions, leading to that which is better and positively progressive. Prophecies always rest upon specific causes; these again result in certain effects, whereby these effects can be changed at any time if only the preceding causes are changed in their form. Therefore, it is possible that negative or evil prophecies do not have to be fulfilled if the preceding causes will be purposely changed in a manner that positivity and good develop instead of negativity and evil. However, this does not apply to predictions, as these rest upon events that cannot be changed, are inevitable and surely and definitely will occur in the future. Predictions rest upon a preview and thus on a direct viewing of the future, and have to do with neither prophecy nor with calculation of probability. So when I make a portion of Henoch's prophecies for the third millennium known to you, it does not mean that they have to be fulfilled, because the prerequisite of fulfilment in each case would be that the already existing causes continue to exist as also continue to be created in the future so that a fulfilment of the prophecies can come to pass. Thus, provided that human beings of Earth will become reasonable, the possibility exists that by a reasonable change in the way of thinking as well as a reasonable development in feeling and an equally reasonable way of acting, everything changes for the better and positive, whereby prophecies do not have to be fulfilled. However, if this transformation does not occur, a very evil, wicked and negative time lies ahead for the Earth and its entire population in the coming new millennium.

    Billy: Since the Second World War, the thoughts, feelings and actions of the human being of Earth have changed much towards the positive and good, but all that achieved is not enough in my opinion, as the great transformation towards the better has not been achieved yet, neither by the mighty of this world nor all of mankind of Earth itself. In the years gone by, you have made many predictions and calculations of probability as well as mentioned prophetic facts concerning the economic, military and political situation on Earth, whereby I was requested to spread this informationwhich I indeed have done. Governments and newspapers, radio stations as well as TV stations and many private persons worldwide were informed by me. But the entire effort did not achieve anything, because up to now mankind has carried on in the old manner and has paid no attention whatsoever to prophecies, predictions and calculations of probability. And the same will most likely be the case in the future, when I receive permission from you in the coming time to spread the prophecies of Henoch for the third millennium. But, nevertheless, I feel that Henoch's message for the future must be made known and distributed, because somehow it may bear fruit yet.

    Quetzal: You apparently never give up hope. Your optimism is honourable and deserves to be heard by human beings, but the way things have developed throughout this century there is not too much hope that human beings of Earth will come to their senses and heed your words. This will then be the case only when the prophecies prove to be true or, even worse, have already come to pass. Probably only then will the time come when the defamations against you will end in regard to your contacts with us, although they will long continue to be vehemently disputed by your enemies as well as by pathological know-it-alls and critics who dismiss them as swindle, lies and fraud. The full truth about our contacts with you will be proven in the distant future, and then mankind will accept our help we offer through youeven when they erroneously assume we come from the seven-star system known to human beings of Earth as the Pleiades. [The Plejaren claim to live in the Plejares, an altered time-space configuration about 80 light-years beyond the Pleiades. MH]

    Billy: Semjase and Ptaah already explained this to me. But tell us now what the new millennium will bring to human beings of Earth and the planet Earth according to the prophecies of Henoch.

    Quetzal: I will do that in a moment, but I would like to explain before beginning that I am not authorised to give exact indication of years in an official manner.



    Quetzal: Thus, I will offer Henoch's prophecies in an understandable form. So listen, then:

    163. If the human being of Earth continues to live in the same way as he has done up to nowforming his thoughts and feelings in the same manner, indulging in the same actions as he has hithertothen the words of the prophecies of Henoch could not be any clearer.

    164. The point in time at which these prophecies will begin to be fulfilled will be when a Pope will no longer reside in Rome.

    165. All of Europe will then fall victim to a terrible punishment by evil powers.

    166. The Christian religion will collapse and the churches and monasteries will end up in ruins and ashes.

    167. Monstrous forces will be created by science and will be released by the military forces and armies as well as by terrorists, causing great destruction.

    168. Millions and even billions of people will be killed by acts of terrorism, by wars and civil wars; and finally, in some parts of the world, every third human being, and, in other places, every fourth human being, will lose his or her life.

    169. The nations of the East will rise against the nations of the West, the West against the East.

    170. Many deaths will be inflicted upon the people by fighter and bomber aircraft, and bombs and rockets will destroy and annihilate smaller and larger villages and cities.

    171. The people will be completely powerless against all this and will live through 888 days of Hell on Earth, suffering hunger and plagues which will claim even more lives than the war itself.

    172. The time will be severe as never before experienced on Earth. Ultimately, nothing can be bought or sold any longer.

    173. All provisions will be rationed; and if a human being steals even a small piece of bread, he/she will have to pay for it with his/her life.

    174. Many waters will mix with human blood and turn red, as once in the past the Nile in Egypt turned red with blood.

    175. And it will be that the fanatics of Islam will rise up against the countries of Europe and all will shake and quiver.

    176. Everything in the West will be destroyed; England will be conquered and thrown down to the lowest level of misery.

    177. And the fanatics and warriors of Islam will retain their power for a long time.

    178. However, not only Europe will be affected but ultimately all the countries and peoples of the Earth, as the great horror expands to a war that will encompass the entire world.

    179. After the turn of the millennium, the papacy will exist only a short period.

    180. Pope John Paul II is the third from last in this position.

    181. After him, only one additional pontificate will follow.

    182. Then a Pontifex Maximus follows who will be known as Petrus Romanus.

    183. Under his religious rule, the end of the Catholic Church will come, a total collapse becoming inevitable.

    184. That will be the beginning of the worst catastrophe that will ever have befallen the human beings and the Earth.

    185. Many Catholic clerics, priests, bishops, cardinals and many others will be killed and their blood will flow in streams.

    186. But also the reformed version of Christianity will become just as infinitely small, as does Catholicism.

    Horrifying weapons and a possible world war

    187. Due to the fault of scientists, enormous power will be seized by the power-hungry and their military, their warriors and terrorists, and power will be seized as well through laser weapons of many types, but also via atomic, chemical and biological weapons.

    188. Also concerning genetic technology, enormous misuse will occur, because this will be unrestrainedly exploited for the purposes of war, not lastly due to the cloning of human beings for warring purposes, as this was practised in ancient times with the descendants of Henoch in the regions of Sirius.

    189. However, this will not be all of the horrors; as besides the genetic technology and the chemical weapons, far worse and more dangerous and more deadly weapons of mass destruction will be produced and will be used.

    190. The irresponsible politicians will unscrupulously exercise their power, assisted by scientists and obedient military forces serving them, who together hold a deadly sceptre and will create clone-like beings which will be bred in a total lack of conscience and will be scientifically manipulated to become killer machines. Division by division and devoid of any feelings, they will destroy, murder and annihilate everything.

    191. The USA will set out against the Eastern countries ahead of all other financial states and simultaneously she will have to defend herself against the Eastern intruders.

    192. In all, America will play the most decisive role, when in the guise to strive for peace and to fight against terrorism she invades many countries of the Earth, bombs and destroys everything and brings thousandfold deaths to the populations.

    193. The military politics of the USA will likewise know no limits, as neither will their economic and other political institutions which will be focused on building and operating a world police force, as it is the case already for a long time [sic].

    194. But that will not be enough, and, in the guise of a so-called peaceful globalisation, American politics will aspire to gain absolute control of the world concerning supremacy in economy.

    195. And this will point towards the possibility that a Third World War could develop from it, if human beings as a whole will not finally reflect upon reason, become reasonable and undertake the necessary steps against the insane machinations of their governments and military powers as well as their secret services, and call a halt to the power of the irresponsible who have forsaken their responsibility in all areas.

    196. If this does not happen, many small and great nations will lose their independence and their cultural identity and will be beaten down, because the USA will gain predominance over them and with evil force bring them down under her rule.

    197. At first, many countries will howl with the wolves of the US, partially due to fear of American aggressions and sanctions, as will be the case with many, many irresponsible [ones] in Switzerland and Germany but also of other countries. In part, others will join in because they will be forced somehow to do so or will be misled by irresponsible promoters of American propaganda.

    198. Finally, many Asian, African and European states will rise up against the American hegemony, once they recognise that the United States of America is only taking advantage of them for purposes of war, conquest and exploitation.

    199. In this way, many countries will become puppet states of America before reason and realisation will emerge in the responsible ones of governments and in many of the population, resulting in a turning away from the USA.

    200. However, the great war will hardly be avoidable because the human beings of Earth will probably not accept the directions towards the better, therewith towards true love, true freedom and real peace, striving instead only towards wealth, pleasure and riches and for all manner of material values and unrestricted power.

    201. Thus, huge and deadly formations of tanks will roll across the countries while fighter planes and rockets sweep through the air and bring death, ruin, destruction and annihilation to countries and people.

    202. And the bad time will come, during which also the militaries and armies will cause out-of-control, great, wild and evil devastations and unimaginable massacres of the people, who will be forced to watch the wild activities powerlessly.

    203. Your and our warnings will be cast into the wind by the majority of Earth humanity, even though quite a bit could still be saved and the very worst could be prevented if your and our words of love, peace, freedom, and wisdom would be acted upon.

    204. But even that, unfortunately, is doubtful.

    205. If the Third World War will actually happenas calculations and observations appear to indicate to be probable now and also during the approaching few decadesthen, as now, the civilian population will above all have to bear the brunt of the enormous suffering in tremendous numbers in this entire catastrophe and, last but not least, the fault of the irresponsible scientists who by cloning will create human machines for military purposes, devoid of conscience and feelings, and will create immensely deadly and all-annihilating computer-like weapons.

    206. At the same time, the danger could become reality that the human combat machines, the military clones, will gain their independence and under their own management will bring death, devastation, destruction and annihilation to the human beings of Earth and to the planet.

    207. The entire planet will become an arena of unparalleled suffering, which will never have existed before on Earth up to that time.

    208. The cruel happenings will last about 888 days and cause civilisation to collapse.

    209. Yet, the terrible scenario will continue, and epidemics and various diseases as well as enormous famine will be spread among the people, while the economy of the world will totally collapse and there will be no possibility to produce any goods.

    210. all foods and medications will be rationed.

    211. The insanity of war will extend not only across the land, but the disaster will equally be spread to the oceans, into the atmosphere, even into outer space.

    212. But there will also be settlements under the ocean that will be developed in the course of the future and these will be attacked and destroyed, claiming the lives of many thousands of people.

    213. However, a certain maelstrom of destruction will also originate from the undersea facilities; because in the cities at the bottom of the ocean, groups of submarine pirates will be formed which will burst upwards from the depths of the ocean and will become involved in destructive actions of combat with naval units on the surface.

    214. And at this time, the possibility could become reality that extraterrestrial forces intervene against the Western industrialised countries, because these will be responsible for the extreme and enormous disaster of the coming evil times.

    215. These extraterrestrial forces will give up their anonymity and their state of secrecy and will assist those who are being terrorised by the irresponsibly acting Western countries, should this possibility become reality.

    216. In addition, apocalyptic natural catastrophes will occur which will cause all of Europe to shake and tremble; but Europe will continue to exist, even after having suffered enormous destruction.

    Destruction in North America

    217. Far in the West, it will be different; the United States of America will be a country of total destruction.

    218. The cause for this will be manifold.

    219. With her global conflicts which are continuously instigated by her and which will continue far into the future, America is creating enormous hatred against her, worldwide, in many countries.

    220. As a result, America will experience enormous catastrophes which will reach proportions barely imaginable to people of Earth.

    221. The destruction of the WTC, i.e., the World Trade Center, by terrorists will only be the beginning.

    222. Yet all the apocalyptic events will not only be brought about due to the use of unbelievably deadly and destructive weaponssuch as chemical, laser and othersand by cloned murder machines; but in addition to this, the Earth and nature, maltreated to the deepest depths by the irresponsible human beings of Earth, will rise up and cause destruction and bring death onto the Earth.

    223. Enormous firestorms and gigantic hurricanes will sweep over the USA and bring devastation, destruction and annihilation, as this from time immemorial never before will have happened [sic].

    224. Not only will America, but also all other Western industrial countries which still live at the beginning of the new millennium in the delusion that they could dominate and rule over underdeveloped nations, i.e., Third World countries, will not only soon lose influence over these but must defend themselves against them.

    225. According to the prophecies of Henoch, the truth about industrialised countries is that they only seem to appear to be true civilisations, but in fact they are not; because more and more, at the end of the 20th century and at the beginning of the third millennium, they will disregard all true love, true freedom and true wisdom as well as true peace along with all values of humaneness and all values of men's and women's true being.

    226. But not even all the terrible happenings will hinder the USA in continuing to proceed with her actions against all countries.

    227. Even when the North American continent will be stricken by the most terrible catastrophe which has ever been recorded, evil military powers will wreak havoc with computerised and nuclear, biological and chemical weapons, whereby it will also happen that computerised weapons become independent and cannot be controlled any longer by human beings.

    228. Overall, this is the most important part of Henoch's prophecies.

    Epidemics, conflicts and disasters

    Billy: There is still more to it. At least that is what you told me.

    Quetzal: 229. You are untiring; so I will point out a few more important facts of the prophecies.

    230. As of now, new epidemics have spread among the people of Earth; however, as Henoch prophesied, quite a number of further epidemics will follow.

    231. Not only AIDS will occur worldwide in the 1990s, but also epidemics such as the so-called "mad cow disease", i.e., BSE, out of which different strains of CreutzfeldtJakob syndrome will develop, lasting well into the new millennium.

    232. Also, an epidemic known as Ebola will cause many deaths, as well as other unknown epidemics and diseases which will sporadically arise in epidemic proportions and will be new to the human being, causing great concern.

    233. However, most of the evil will be brought about by politics.

    234. France and Spain become involved with each other in armed conflicts, and even before World War Three will have broken out.

    235. Yet France will not only engage in armed conflicts with Spain, for within her great unrests will arise, leading to upheavals and civil war, as [will be] the case in Russia and Sweden.

    236. Especially in France and Sweden, machinations as well as dictatorial regulations of the European Union will cause much unrest and many uprisings; but also crimes committed by gangs and organised criminal elements in these countries will cause unavoidable civil wars.

    237. In addition, significant tensions will arise between the native citizens and immigrants from foreign countries, who as a rule also observe religious beliefs different from those of the native populace.

    238. And in the end, this will lead to severe conflicts.

    239. Hatred against strangers, foreigners and people of different religious beliefs will be the order of the day, as well as the rise of neo-Nazism, terrorism and right-extremism.

    240. Conditions similar to civil war will be in England, Wales and Northern Ireland and claim many lives.

    241. The Soviet Union will be dissolved in this decade or at the latest by the beginning of the next.

    242. The man decisive for this action will be Mikhail Gorbachev.

    243. But this will not lead to rest, because the new Russia will continue its longstanding conflict with China over Inner Mongolia, with the result that Russia will lose a portion of this territory to China.

    244. And China becomes dangerous, especially to India, as also at this time China maintains uneasy relations with her.

    245. China will attack India; and if biological weapons are used, around 30 million human beings will be killed in the area of and around New Delhi alone.

    246. However, this will not be the end yetbecause the effect of biological bombs and missiles, etc., used cannot be controlled at that time, and terrible epidemics unknown up to that point in time will arise and will spread quickly to many areas.

    247. Also Pakistan will allow herself to be misled to instigate a war against India, which will be especially dangerous in view of the fact that both countries are developing atomic weapons.

    Wars and devastation in Europe and North America

    248. Yet Russia will not rest and will attack Scandinavia, and in doing so will embroil all of Europe. And months before that, a terrible tornado will have swept across northern Europe, causing great devastation and destruction.

    249. It must still be stated that the Russian attack will occur during the summer, in fact, starting from Arkhangelsk. Denmark will not be dragged into the war, due to the insignificance of this country.

    250. Yet Russia will not be satisfied with this action of war, as her will for expansion will be ravenous.

    251. And consequently Russia will launch a military attack against Iran and Turkey and will conquer these two countries in bloody fighting, causing enormous destruction.

    252. In the Russian expansionist mentality will also be included the drive to gain control of the Middle Eastern oil deposits as well as to gain control of the southeastern region of Europe. Therefore, she will also invade the Balkans and conquer these countries there in enormous battles, causing ruthless and devastating destruction with many deaths.

    253. This will be at the time that tremendous natural disasters will hit Italy and its people, causing severe hardship.

    254. But this will also be at the time when Vesuvius could become active again and could spread tremendous havoc.

    255. At the same time, a war will shake Italy and claim many human lives as well as cause great destruction.

    256. Destruction of war will descend on the northern countries as strong military forces will invade them from the East and will pillage and murder as well as use bombs and missiles, like hail coming down, and hitherto unknown weapons of laser- and computer-controlled types which will destroy and annihilate everything, whereby the first target will be Hungary and after that will follow Austria and northern Italy.

    257. Switzerland will also be severely affected, but will not be the actual target; this will be France and Spain.

    258. However, the main objective of the aggressors will be to bring all of Europe under their military control, and for that purpose France will be selected to be the headquarters. France will not only be invaded by the aggressors from the outside, but will also be conquered from within as a result of collaborative forces and other forces.

    259. This can be envisioned as being the many foreigners of a different religion living in France at that time, and specifically Islam, which will be this force working from within.

    260. Once France has fallen, a war to conquer Spain and England will take place. Subsequently, an alliance with the forces of the aggressors will be formed, which will invade Scandinavia.

    261. For all these French-based military operations, the weapons of mass destruction stored in the arsenals of France will be used and cause evil devastation, destruction and annihilation.

    262. The aggressors from the East will force the French Army to join their military forces and lead a war of conquest against the northern countries of Europe, invading and conquering Sweden and Norway. Subsequently, these northern countries will be annexed by Russia.

    263. Military forces will also attack Finland, whereby many will be killed and an enormous destruction will be caused, after which the complete dissolution of the country will occur and the Russian forces will settle in it for a very long time.

    264. This, then, will also be the time, during which the German citizenship will even fight in a civil war and, at the same time, attack a large army from East Germany.

    265. But the country and its population will be able to free themselves from the yoke of the aggressors again; it's just that they will still fall into the hands of the invading military forces.

    266. After a certain time, then, the nations will rise up against the aggressors and intruders; therefore, a European-wide liberation struggle will break out.

    267. At the same time, as a civil war rages in Germany, an enormously bloody revolution will break out in England which will claim more lives than will be claimed by the civil war in Germany.

    268. And because England and Ireland have been at war for a long time already, due to the IRA and the police and military forces of England, the result will be (because this feud will continue up to that time) that this revolution will spread out to all of Ireland, especially affecting Northern Ireland.

    269. Many lives will be lost during a civil war in Wales, where differences between various parties will arise before the Third World War.

    270. Welsh and English forces will clash especially near Cymru, and claim many lives and cause great destruction.

    271. But death, destruction and annihilation will not only rage in Europe but also in America, where much suffering will have to be endured and many deaths as well as destruction and annihilation will be.

    272. America and Russia will have the most terrible weapons of mass destruction at their disposala fact which is already the case to a certain extent todayand will clash with violent force against each other at that time of conflict, whereby Canada will also be dragged into this conflict.

    273. The source of this conflict will substantiate the Russian attack on the American State of Alaska and against Canada.

    274. This conflict will result in mass killings of human beings as well as devastating destruction, annihilation and epidemics, etc., which mankind of Earth will never have seen and experienced up to that time.

    275. Not only nuclear, biological and chemical weapons will be used en masse, but also enormously deadly systems of computer-controlled weapons that are only in the beginning stages of development today, or will be invented and constructed during the third millennium.

    Worldwide natural catastrophes

    276. As already mentioned, enormous natural catastrophes and rolling walls of fire and violent hurricanes will rage all across America, while, in addition, all the terrible effects of war will bring thousandfold deaths, destruction and annihilation.

    277. America's largest cities will be absolutely destroyed, and firestorms will cause great disaster and misery.

    278. Severe earthquakes and volcanic eruptions will also belong to that time, and these will cause much suffering and misery and deaths besides enormous destruction and devastation, as all of nature and the planet itself will rise up against the insanity of human beings on Earth.

    279. However, tornadoes, earthquakes and volcanic eruptions will not only rage in America, but also in Europe and in the rest of the world.

    280. These activities have already begun at the present time, also during the past decadeswith the exception that they will become increasingly more devastating in the future.

    281. And man of Earth is guilty for the most part today, as also in the future it is man who will destroy the entire environmentall of nature, the atmosphere, water and all the resources of the planet.

    282. And through this, a shifting of weight inside the Earth takes place, caused for example by the creation of gigantic lakes by damming and by creating hollow caverns due to the exploitation of petroleum and gas, etc.

    283. And thereby unnatural inner-Earth movements are created, which also lead to unnatural tectonic effects and cause earthquakes and volcanic eruptions, which also in turn cause enormous climatic changes, resulting in horrendous tornadoes of devastating proportions which in the end will set their destructive energies free on the entire world.

    284. All of this will lead to increasingly horrible floods and unusually massive snowfalls which will advance to the southern countries and finally even to the equatorial regions, because through the insanity of human beings the Earth has begun unnoticeably to spin [strangely] as a consequence of atomic explosions inside and on the surface of the Earth.

    285. And this will be the reason that the planet will slowly but surely enter an extraordinary spinning orbit around the Sun, while the first phase is already occurring, which causes a change in climate, leading to a new ice age.

    Civil wars and anarchy in America

    286. Yet the misery on Earth will continue, as two terrible civil wars will break out in America, whereby one will follow the other.

    287. Afterwards, the United States of America will break apart and deadly hostility will prevail among her, which then leads to the division into five different territories; and it cannot be prevented that sectarian fanatics will play a dictatorial role.

    288. Anarchy will be the worldwide condition that will prevail and torment human beings over a long period of time, as human beings will also be tormented by the many epidemics and diseases, many of them new and unknown to human beings and for this reason incurable.

    289. Due to this fact, the bodies of many human beings will slowly and miserably decay, while unbearable pain will also occur as well as blindness and terrible respiratory problems that lead to suffocation.

    290. The consciousness of many human beings will become impaired and succumb to feeblemindedness and insanity.

    291. And all these gruesome occurrences will be traceable to biological and chemical weapons, which are the cause of not fast, but gruesome and slow deaths; and this will also occur due to the use of ray and frequency weapons which are already being developed today.

    292. Finally, the words of Henoch may be specifically mentioned, which include that mankind of Earth, in pursuit of technology for mass destruction and greed for power, hatred, vengeance and riches, will ignore all values of Creation and will trample upon all values of love, wisdom, freedom and peace, as ancestors of the Henoch lineage have done before, to plunge the world into screaming misery, death, destruction and annihilation and into the most severe catastrophes mankind of Earth will ever have experienced.


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    It doesn't do you good to dwell on these things Skyrocket. We all die soon enough.

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    TL;DR- Mad Billy has a crazy ass conversation with Lord Pretzel and gives pretty ambiguous prognostications lacking any sort of timeframe.

    Oh and tells us about the past. He's that good. "231. Not only AIDS will occur worldwide in the 1990s".
     

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