12 dead in attack on satirical magazine in France.

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  1. CFP

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    Islam is several hundred years younger than Christianity and had its dark ages. So by your rationale Islam is currently experiencing its dark ages period and by that rationale mate, we would actually agree on something.
     
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    interesting. what about telling people not to associate with certain others, because those others are vile etc?
     
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    in b4 the lock....
     
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    Actually the magazine has knocked other religions.

    http://www.truthrevolt.org/news/charlie-hebdo-covers-have-also-mocked-christianity-and-judaism

    Remember the painting "Piss Christ" where it portrayed a urine soaked Jesus? Yes there was outrage
    but no Christians went to the street and beheaded people.

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    They aren't protesting the killings. They're still upset about cartoons.

    The signs read "You are Charlie. We are Muhammad. #NoApology"

    I can't empathize with anyone who puts a picture over a human life and to even begin to contemplate or attempt to rationalize
    that course of action imo is insanity.
     
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    80% of African Americans are NOT muslim, where do you come up with this? Please see the above graph for better clarification.

    http://blackdemographics.com/culture/religion/

    I think you got confused with this:

    "J. Michael Waller claims that Muslim inmates comprise 17-20% of the prison population in New York, or roughly 350,000 inmates in 2003. He also claims that 80% of the prisoners who "find faith" while in prison convert to Islam.[1] These converted inmates are mostly African American, with a small but growing Hispanic minority.[2] Waller also asserts that many converts are radicalized by outside Islamist groups linked to terrorism, but other experts suggest that when radicalization does occur it has little to no connection with these outside interests."

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conversion_to_Islam_in_U.S._prisons

    There is your "80%" (this was the only place I could find 80% of African Americans or close to with links to Islam.) I am not saying that all or most Muslims or that a even a large group of them are criminals, they are not and I am not going to argue the above argument but your 80% claim is totally incorrect.
     
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    Another ludicrous claim. Where do you come up with this stuff? You should start writing books, I would buy one.

    The media has been citing several of the recent terrorist attacks conducted by islamic extremists as "lone wolf" including the one done at the Lindt Cafe.
    And I understand why they do it because of the potential of idiots in the ADL and young blokes full of piss trashing mosques and beating up any muslim on the street.
    They do it to diffuse a situation that may or may not happen in the first place.

    But dont play the race card by implying only white people who commit similar acts (how many by the way??? not many) are labelled as lone wolves.
    The terrorist at the Lindt cafe was not a loan wolf, he was obviously financed by someone (high court appeal, trust me they don't come cheap), who had a shotgun (he didn't find it in an alley),
    who was also known by several of the Australian (I use that term loosely) ISIS fighters currently overseas, 16000 followers on facebook ....

    http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/al...ter-sydney-siege/story-fni0fiyv-1227168730040

    "More people have been killed in the US by Right wing Christians ( abortion clinics and the like ) than Muslims."

    That could possibly be the biggest misnomer on the whole thread. Proof please.........
     
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    Straight from the horses mouth. Of course you can dismiss this as well. Surely those good ole apple pie eatin', peace lovin' yankees wouldn't do anything of the sort?
    All for peaceful purposes of course. Your enemies enemy is your friend....well at least for a time anyway.





    As his unclassified CIA biography states, bin Laden left Saudi Arabia to fight the Soviet army in Afghanistan after Moscow's invasion in 1979. By 1984, he was running a front organization known as Maktab al-Khidamar the MAK which funneled money, arms and fighters from the outside world into the Afghan war.

    What the CIA bio conveniently fails to specify (in its unclassified form, at least) is that the MAK was nurtured by Pakistan's state security services, the Inter-Services Intelligence agency, or ISI, the CIA's primary conduit for conducting the covert war against Moscow's occupation.

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    The CIA, concerned about the factionalism of Afghanistan found that Arab zealots who flocked to aid the Afghans were easier to "read" than the rivalry-ridden natives. While the Arab volunteers might well prove troublesome later, the agency reasoned, they at least were one-dimensionally anti-Soviet for now. So bin Laden, along with a small group of Islamic militants from Egypt, Pakistan, Lebanon, Syria and Palestinian refugee camps all over the Middle East, became the "reliable" partners of the CIA in its war against Moscow.

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    To this day, those involved in the decision to give the Afghan rebels access to a fortune in covert funding and top-level combat weaponry continue to defend that move in the context of the Cold War. Sen. Orrin Hatch, a senior Republican on the Senate Intelligence Committee making those decisions, told my colleague Robert Windrem that he would make the same call again today even knowing what bin Laden would do subsequently. "It was worth it," he said.

    "Those were very important, pivotal matters that played an important role in the downfall of the Soviet Union," he said.

    Indeed, the U.S. started backing Al Qaeda's forefathers even before the Soviets invaded Afghanistan. As Brzezinski told Le Nouvel Observateur in a 1998 interview:

    Question: The former director of the CIA, Robert Gates, stated in his memoirs ["From the Shadows"], that American intelligence services began to aid the Mujahadeen in Afghanistan 6 months before the Soviet intervention. In this period you were the national security adviser to President Carter. You therefore played a role in this affair. Is that correct?Brzezinski: Yes. According to the official version of history, CIA aid to the Mujahadeen began during 1980, that is to say, after the Soviet army invaded Afghanistan, 24 Dec 1979. But the reality, secretly guarded until now, is completely otherwise Indeed, it was July 3, 1979 that President Carter signed the first directive for secret aid to the opponents of the pro-Soviet regime in Kabul. And that very day, I wrote a note to the president in which I explained to him that in my opinion this aid was going to induce a Soviet military intervention.

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    Q: And neither do you regret having supported the Islamic fundamentalism, having given arms and advice to future terrorists?

    B: What is most important to the history of the world? The Taliban or the collapse of the Soviet empire? Some stirred-up Moslems or the liberation of Central Europe and the end of the cold war?

    The Washington Post reported in 2002:

    The United States spent millions of dollars to supply Afghan schoolchildren with textbooks filled with violent images and militant Islamic teachings .

    The primers, which were filled with talk of jihad and featured drawings of guns, bullets, soldiers and mines, have served since then as the Afghan school system's core curriculum. Even the Taliban used the American-produced books .

    The Council on Foreign Relations notes:

    The 9/11 Commission report (PDF) released in 2004 said some of Pakistan's religious schools or madrassas served as "incubators for violent extremism." Since then, there has been much debate over madrassas and their connection to militancy.

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    New madrassas sprouted, funded and supported by Saudi Arabia and U.S. Central Intelligence Agency, where students were encouraged to join the Afghan resistance.
     
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    Oh and don't forget to visit Youtube where you can see the well trained Mujahideen using the very latest and greatest U.S. supplied General Dynamics "Stinger" missiles.....new, straight out of the box.
     
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    a few years old now...but still very effective...unfortunately.
     
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    Actually that is not true, without going into detail, the items you speak of have battery packs which degrade over time and certain items which are critical to there use are heat sensitive so they have a shelf life which shortens when exposed to heat so the items need to be reconditioned. A local with a grade three education does not have the skills or the equipment to refurbish them and keep them operational so you will find anything that has been buried or stored in a cave for the last 10 years is not going to function.They can't return them to the production facility to have them serviced either :)

    Makes a great status symbol though :)
     
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    That's true of the late 70's vintage stingers that found their way into Afghanistan over the kush on donkey back to fight the soviets but there are plenty of Mujahideen in the Levant using manpads to shoot down Asaad's (how quickly we forgot about him) helicopters and frogfoots. I'm sure the irony that these missiles are shooting down the same models of soviet aircraft in a war likely to spin off similar consequences as the Afghan soviet war is not lost on the western Intel agents facilitating their supply.

    Whether the western aligned middle eastern financiers paying for the weapons, the "nice" rebels who officially are supplied with them or the Mujahideen who invariably get their hands on some of them are cognizant of this irony is uncertain, but they aren't stupid or short sighted.

    Only thing is modern manpads are way way scarier than stingers. Like really, a lot scarier.
     
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    [youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dg8Y0WpbfZw[/youtube]
     
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    amazing rave in that it carefully/skillfully/willfully avoids the issues
    root cause. - and what garbage he dribbles....truly amazing.. I'm no fan of murdoch, but when the retard in the vid shows a tweet supposedly from murdoch and then lies outright about what it says...well, what else could you expect from russell brand?
     
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    What's the core issue?
     
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    Why hasn't someone called him a socialist or a communist yet? I have been waiting for it........
     
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    Without quoting a massive piece on my phone CFP. The article about more people in US being killed by right wing Christians as opposed to extremist Muslims was on zerohedge a week or so ago. And maybe they aren't all called lone wolves but they certainly aren't called terrorists either.
     
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    Is that including all the school shootings and the people going postal in their workplaces etc?
     

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