1000 Qantas job to go

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  1. Caput Lupinum

    Caput Lupinum Well-Known Member Silver Stacker

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    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-12-...0-job-cuts-and-loss-of-up-300-million/5136364
     
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    Even when they made profits they still didnt pay dividends.
    Alan joyce will still get his fat paycheck.
    Would rather see them sold off than bailed out by the tax payer.
     
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    Absolutely no surprise. Joyce warned of this during the 2011 lock out.
    Unions accused him of BS'ing, yet if anyone had looked at their financial reports, they had a ROE of around %3 at best at the time - they were slowly going under. Now they are under.
    As far as Joyce's pay cheque - IMO he deserves it. No other recent CEO of any Australian listed company has had the balls like Joyce.
     
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    boston Well-Known Member Silver Stacker

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    Is this a type of a trade war?

     
  5. Caput Lupinum

    Caput Lupinum Well-Known Member Silver Stacker

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    I just think airlines in general are a crap business to try and turn a profit in. High costs, plenty of regulations, lots of competiton both internationally and domestically, sensitive to currency exchange rates. As a share investor I don't find anything attractive about airline companies.
     
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    No point owning shares that dont pay dividends!!!
     
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    Caput Lupinum Well-Known Member Silver Stacker

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    I own a number of micro cap and mid cap shares that pay no or a very low dividends but I expect the companies share price to grow. Qantas isn't going anywhere
     
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    +1
    Add to this high debt, high leverage, low margins.
     
  9. Willow

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    (I have picked out parts of the quote.)


    Interesting thought, He knew about it, they were slowly going down, and now their down.

    It would be a nice gig to get paid well to ride a business down.
     
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    Qantas is a "sheltered workshop".

    I'm not sure our society or our mental health facilities can handle 1000 ex-Qantas workers wandering the streets and parks.
     
  11. Big A.D.

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    It's not a "war" as such, but many other countries view airlines as critical, nationally significant infrastructure and they're happy to hold equity and/or provide concessions. They basically treat them similarly to trains and buses because they figure it's important for people to be able to travel around for a reasonable cost because there is a higher overall benefit to the economy than if everyone were paying the full, unsubsidized cost.
     
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    It was only in the last 10years that the management of QANTAS recommended to shareholders to accept a $15 billion offer from a hedge fund..

    Shareholders VOTED NO. QANTAS would have folded by now if that hedge fund got ownership.

    Shareholders would have had the cash to go out and buy Virgin. :)

    Regards Errol 43
     
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    I'm not so sure Mr Joyce was referring to airlines originating in any socialist countries. More likely he is referring to the airlines of the oil sheikdoms like Emirates and Etihad, or the city/company/state of Singapore, that have been competing so heavily with Qantas on international routes.

    Some interesting perspectives about the ability of those "states" to sustain national airlines:
    - Singapore - population of 5.4M
    - Emirate of Dubai - population of 2.1M
    - Emirate of Abu Dhabi - 0.6M

    Whatever is going on to allow those "countries" to sustain their airlines, they are not relying on the taxes of their respective populations to sustain them. Singapore has a top personal tax rate of 20% and I believe there is no income tax in the UAE.
     
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    Aaaah so here we go first it was just 300 and members said stop worrying your a fukin whinger.....Now its 1000.....Is it me or are some people round here fukin dumb?
     
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    I really think you need to seriously have a look at yourself.........
     
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    Ye true...And how about seriously giving up Gold and Silver as an apparent investment.......I lost 30k on it this fukin year!...... I like G.P and his nice business 'GoldStackers' and I walked straight past it today as a matter of fact.....Did I drop in and say hello? tertle no......As far as I can see all you tertling conspiracy theaorists are tertling WRONG....The new currency will be Digital.........Go and get turtled lol! :D

    p.s This is fun!
     
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    IT'S YOU
    I tried to "drop a hint " in the messages we exchanged
    I was where you are 3-4 years ago ;)

    GO GET SOME TURTLN HELP
    And you're lucky your Mrs is still with you
    It's NOT " THE END " of the fucken world
    Stop surfing the net for neg news and change your attitude :eek:

    I really held back on commenting on your post :rolleyes:
     
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    I dont think the Goldstackers team would have appreciated you visiting them if this is the day you havent showered :p
     

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