“Optional” tracking app to be rolled out in weeks

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  1. Big A.D.

    Big A.D. Well-Known Member Silver Stacker

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    Then:

    #censusfail (it's not actually anonymous after all, and "OMG hackers!" being the first response when you tell everyone to log on and fill in the form on a specific day and then have a lot of website traffic on that particular day).

    My Health Record (basically any of the hundreds of thousands of people working in the health care system had access to individual's data, including insurers using it for marketing)

    Robodebt (where the government wanted to rip off poor people and deliberately engineered the calculations to claw back money by ignoring the detailed information supplied by the individual)

    Centerlink crash March '20 ("OMG hackers!" being the first response after closing millions of people's places of employment on the Friday and being shocked that the welfare system's website is getting a lot of traffic on the Monday).

    The NBN (where to even start?)

    Now:

    Download this app which will track you and the people you come in close contact with, which has:
    - No dedicated legislation protecting the use (or mis-use) of any data collected from local law enforcement (including, for example, local council rangers and the RSPCA, who have access to NSW Opal card data)
    - No written guarantee that the data isn't accessible to foreign intelligence services (Amazon being required by U.S. law to turn over any data to U.S. intel, regardless of where in the world it is being stored)
    - No source code for independent experts to examine so as to verify the app is safe, secure and actually does what it's supposed to to, without software bugs that introduce errors


    I don't doubt it's being done with the best of intentions, but our government has a long history of treating us like mugs when it comes to technology, both in "mission creep" where entirely new "features" get bolted-on without public discussion or scrutiny, and in plain old politicking where expert opinion gets sidelined in favor of ideology and good ideas are dismissed because they came from "the other side".
     
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    So the Commonwealth Govt rolls out their app and asks everyone to trust them....like hell. They haven't even sorted out the operational aspects of the app and data use and worse, privacy legislation is still pending according to this ABC article.

    https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-05-02/coronavirus-app-currently-not-fully-operational/12208924

    Coronavirus app tracing capability not yet operational, despite 4 million downloads
    By political reporter Stephanie Borys

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    Deputy Chief Medical Officer Michael Kidd says authorities can't yet access app tracing data

    More than 4 million people have downloaded the COVIDSafe app, but the information it collects is not yet available to state and territory health officials.

    Key points:

    • The app will not be fully functional until states and territories finalise data rules
    • More than 4 million Australians have downloaded the app already
    • App downloads will be a key discussion point when National Cabinet decides whether to ease restrictions
    Prime Minister Scott Morrison has called the contact-tracing app a vital tool in protecting Australians against coronavirus.

    But the ABC has confirmed that if a person tests positive to coronavirus today, the information on their app will not be passed on to contact tracers, because states and territories are still working out how the system will operate.

    "The rules on privacy are being finalised, along with final IT testing," a Department of Health spokesman said.


    "The system will be operational next week ahead of the decision on possible easing of restrictions."

    Deputy Chief Medical Officer Michael Kidd conceded there had been a delay in health officials being able to access the data.

    "This [the app] has been implemented very quickly," he said.

    "What we're doing is making sure that the operations are going to work appropriately and safely, but also [making] sure that the people in the contact-tracing facilities in the states and territories are trained on how to use the app, and how to use it appropriately."

    He said the app was already logging users' close contacts, and that information could be accessed at a later date.

    "That facility is still to go live, that will be happening during the current week," Professor Kidd said.

    "But the important thing is that if people have downloaded the app and they have it running in the background on their phone, it's already gathering details of people you've been in close contact with.

    "There's a delay from now until when the contact tracer in the state or territory where you are based has activated the system."

    Questions about interference with other apps
    News of the delay came as the Government confirmed it was looking into concerns COVIDSafe could interfere with health apps.

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    Diabetes Australia has received reports from a number of people who said they experienced connection problems with their continuous glucose monitoring (CGM) apps after downloading COVIDSafe.

    A spokesman for Health Minister Greg Hunt said the matter was being examined by the Department of Health and the Digital Transformation Agency.

    Diabetes Australia has recommended people temporarily uninstall COVIDSafe if they are concerned.

    Professor Kidd said while officials would continue to determine whether there was a clash between the apps, people should prioritise the use of CGM apps

    "That is the number one priority for those people," he said.

    "While we sort out between the two different apps, whether there is any clash, it's most important that people are managing their diabetes, and doing so safely."

    PM pushes rapid downloads
    COVIDSafe works by using Bluetooth technology to log when a person comes into close contact with others who have downloaded it.

    If one of those people tests positive to COVID-19, a contact tracer will ask permission to access the data collected on the app.

    People who have been in close contact with the confirmed case will then be contacted.

    The app can store 21 days' worth of contact information.

    "Every Australian will be safer if those health officers [the contact tracers] are able to contact you more quickly if you have been exposed to the coronavirus and, importantly, that means that you will be less at risk of infecting others if they can get to you fast," Mr Morrison said last month.

    Friday the PM urged all Australians to download COVIDSafe, saying the sooner they did so, the sooner they would be able to go to the pub.
    "It's like putting on sunscreen when you go out into the blazing sun. You can't go out in the blazing sun unless you've got that protection in place," he said.

    National Cabinet has agreed to consider relaxing social distancing restrictions when it meets next Friday, but this will only occur if more Australians download COVIDSafe.

    The Federal Government had previously said that 40 per cent of the population would have to sign up to the app for it to be effective, but now officials will not put a figure on it.

    "We need as many people as possible to download the app … having 4 million people who have already downloaded in six days provides a fantastic baseline for us to start working from," Professor Kidd said.

    COVIDSafe is supported by all state and territory governments and also has the backing of key health groups such as the Australian Medical Association and the Australian Nursing and Midwifery Federation.
     
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    No one in their right mind would walk around in public spaces and shopping centres with Bluetooth enabled on their smart phone. It's such a vulnerability.
     
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    what's bluetooth?
     
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    the paired to ear pieces would keep them open anyway
     
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    Oh, and we can add this one to the list of screw-ups as of today:

    https://www.theguardian.com/technol...e-exposed-personal-details-of-700000-migrants

    Ah, the good old "just change the last bit of the URL" trick used by elite hackers, foreign spy agencies and anyone with an internet browser who can type www.gov.au/INSERTNAMEHERE001 into the address bar.
     
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    So the NRL won't force players (and I suspect that includes support staff too) to download the Govt Coronavirus app nor have flu shot. I dare say they got some heavy duty legal advice on that which says they'd be breaking the law....IMO.

    That'll make life difficult for any jackboot who tries to deny providing someone a service if you can't show the app on your phone. Imagine the court case "Well your honour, I was just after a pair of jeans, wasn't going to tackle a group of 13 sweaty footy players for 80 mins in violation of public social distancing laws".

    https://www.smh.com.au/sport/nrl/nr...ate-download-tracing-app-20200503-p54pfc.html

    NRL players won't be forced to vaccinate, download tracing app
    For our free coronavirus pandemic coverage, learn more here.
    Adam Pengilly and Sam Phillips
    May 3, 2020 — 6.51pm

    NRL players will not be forced to download the federal government’s COVIDSafe app or get the flu vaccine to play, although the latter group will be asked to sign a waiver form.

    A small group of “conscientious objectors” have baulked at NRL biosecurity guidelines requiring all players and staff to receive the immunisation, which has been one of the major talking points on Rugby League Players Association phone hook-ups.

    ALRC chairman Peter V'landys insists that he trusts NRL players as the competition tries to relaunch amid COVID-19.

    But despite all players being subjected to strict biosecurity protocols which will be explained during an education day at all 16 clubs on Monday, the anti-vaxxers are not likely to be banned from training and playing if they don’t consent to the jab.

    Instead they will be asked to complete formal documentation before joining teammates for the competition resumption on May 28.

    The flu vaccines are set to be rolled out at clubs throughout the week, but many have already done it personally in previous weeks. The RLPA has strongly advised its members to adhere to the NRL flu vaccine edict, but won’t force anyone to abide by it.

    The NRL and players union have also encouraged the competition’s 480 top grade players to download the Australian government’s COVID-19 tracing app, which is being heavily pushed by Prime Minister Scott Morrison. He has promised a relaxation of coronavirus measures provided more Australians download it by next Friday.

    The NRL and RLPA will still allow players a personal choice over whether they install the app on their phone after critics expressed privacy concerns over their data being accessed.

    "We are going to discuss (making players to download the tracing app) - everything is done with consultation and agreement. They have an education day on Monday where they will go through all of that," ARL Commission chair Peter V'landys said on Sunday. "It's important they download the app because that is our best protection.

    "They have a lot of other things they have to do. They have to report daily if they have any symptoms or rises in temperature.

    "I'm sure that they will all feel comfortable and move forward. The players' association have agreed the app is essential but everything is done in consultation with our players. We don't make any decision unless we have engagement with everybody."

    While players won't be forced into either vaccinations or downloading the COVID-19 tracing app, they will be forced to sit through an education day on Monday. The key part of the NRL's education day will be a PowerPoint presentation, which will detail each of the biosecurity protocols in a step-by-step manner.

    The presentation will address what the biosecurity measures mean for players in different, real-life scenarios and how they may affect each player. The players will also be shown an explanatory video featuring Dr David Heslop, who drafted the biosecurity measures.

    Each club has a staff member who will deliver the presentation. At the end of the presentation, every player will also receive a sheet full of Q&As, explaining what they can and can't do in certain scenarios. They will also receive the full 40 page protocol document and be talked through each part of the protocol by the club staff member who has been designated to take the players through the presentation.
     
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    In theory I could live with this, if push came to shove as you sign in / give your license details when going into an RSL / Sports club etc and when you make a dinner reservation, you give them your name and number etc.....but it's a slippery slope and one could see it extended to other venues. Time to use that old NZ drivers license for something else! :D
     
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    Download it, walk in (with BT turned off) sit down and delete it
     
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    All you need is a screen shot to flash no more questions would be asked
    Download the app
    One photo of the app icon on your home screen
    One photo of the home screen inside the app
    Delete app. Use which ever photo is required. Still a problem, goodbye
     
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    got a text message yesterday prompting me to download the app. deleted!
     
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    its easy to test on your running the software or not, like a bus conductor checking on our cards
     
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    We need a tracking app because 0.03% of the population has contracted a virus?????
     
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    Govts never relinquish what they have taken. Once you let them do something like this it becomes normalised and sets the platform for the next incursion into our lives
     
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    What about AIDS/HIV????-they are not interested?
     
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