Here is mud on your face! http://www.silverdoctors.com/breaking-ubs-to-settle-charges-on-goldsilver-manipulation-activities/
http://www.ft.com/intl/cms/s/0/428e1400-6804-11e4-bcd5-00144feabdc0.html#axzz3IdAR0e1K "UBS to settle allegations over precious metals trading" - Financial Times
I am suspicious of any entity that can benefit from the manipulation of markets. If they can ....they will! The world has lost all sense of morality in the face of unadulterated greed. I have seen a huge decline in the quality of people in general over the past few decades and I don't see a correction in this until society as a whole comes crashing down and people once again become humbled and reliant on one another on a personal basis. The whole thing is much bigger than just money and markets.... Its mankind as a whole.
But that also includes all the sites like SilverDoctors who have a vested interest in gold and silver. You'll probably find the people running these sites and propagating the "price suppression" conspiracy meme are long in precious metals or are spruikers for silver and gold and would benefit greatly from a steep rise in prices. And do you hold any gold or silver? That would also bias your opinion and would make you part of the problem if you believe there is one. The only way to win is to not play. You don't have to accumulate PMs. It's a choice.
The whole idea is invalid. The man in the wheelchair is an invalid. Got to love the English language...................
I would not be holding precious metals if it weren't for the price suppression. My fear of economic uncertainty/collapse directed me to them in an effort to hedge falling victim to the criminals running the show. No more.... no less. Is it to good to be true? Probably. Our government has a written right to confiscate our PMs.
The Fed Is a Privately Owned company and that's a fact. The creatures from Jekyll island stole the gold a long long time ago . Then they sold it lol and are still selling it on paper of course because it only exist in their private vaults not in fort knox . www.youtube.com/watch?v=vB5LK-jihgk
The article linked provides vague shit instead of details about the specifics of the actual charges therefore I will reserve my opinion until I see specifics. As for those who are critical of others who talk about the phantom manipulators, not all of those who are critical are critical of the same exact thing. So I will speak for myself; I am critical of the terrible logic that many of the people who claim market manipulation are guilty of. That's because many of these people claim market manipulation only when they subjectively feel the prices are lower than they think it should be while never once claiming manipulation no matter how high the price might be. As I've already stated in another thread, that sort of thinking makes no logical sense at all because it doesn't account for why the phantom manipulators wouldn't manipulate the market so as to knowingly bring prices way high and potentially providing the manipulators with the greatest of all opportunities to make off with the most amount of wealth from selling at prices that were intentionally manipulated high. Either there's manipulation to bring the prices low and very high whenever fitting or there's no manipulation at all. .
Gold etc. is the adversary to the fiat and its creators. Why on earth would they manipulate it against themselves ?
I also don't believe in any overarching long term manipulation besides the sort of high speed trading and large position sales/purchases that move the prices a little that are common to all markets, not only silver. I find it all really interesting the whole range out theories it there ranging from the internally consistent and plausible to the logical and unlikely to the tinfoil hat required to understand. The problem is that there are dozens of theories out variations of theories that are often mutually exclusive so even if there is a dark conspiracy the overwhelming majority of theories must be wrong. my favorite that likely isn't true but on the surface makes a little sense is the Fed working with partners to suppress gold prices (and by extension silver) to prevent the appearance of the devaluation of the USD to try and maintain its reserve currency status as they print more and more. Not happening but makes sense to an extent. There should be a frequently asked questions on "I bought 8 ounces and I want to know why silver isn't at $500.an ounce like the guy saw on YouTube said it would, is this because of X manipulation" sticky. interesting article though, even if it's a little light on the details.
I don't see why they would prop up gold if most of the wars over the last few decades were to keep the dollar strong. Saddam/Gaddafi wanting to steer away from the dollar, America sent some thugs with baseball bats to their shop to pay them a visit. America sure wouldn't try it though against a country with nukes. All that is elementary though its common knowledge. Think about it America spends billions on wars just to keep the dollar as the worlds reserve currency, they don't want gold taking over, Bernanke dismissed gold when he was in power, Russia and China know this, that's why they are business partners that's why they are stocking up on gold. I am a firm believer China will rule the world one day, it's not just in part to what they do right but what America is doing wrong, America is really up shit creek without a paddle. 20 trillion debt by the time republicans get in power and start getting ready for their next war.
What would make you think that the manipulators own no gold after they allegedly manipulate the market to purposefully take down the price of the metals??? What, somehow they just became brainless the second after they were genius enough to formulate a scheme in which they can take the price down in a controlled way...what, so as to not benefit themselves more from that alleged take-down????? Whom are you kidding? It would be in the complete interest of the phantom manipulators to buy gold after they knock it down and sell it or make massive loans against it when they bring up the price just so they can. It makes no logical sense that the phantom manipulators would somehow just happen to forget that they can make a killing manipulating the price higher too. .
Interesting theory about the Fed but what would prevent them from raising the price at opportune times causing, according to that theory, all fiat currencies to weaken due to the appearance of devaluation of all currencies. If the price of gold allegedly affects one fiat currency, wouldn't it have to affect all fiat currencies, not just the US dollar? Meaning that the US dollar would not loose out reserve status to another nations' currency or even to the IMF's SDR's since that's based on a basket of fiat currencies of various nations which would all allegedly weaken under the theory that higher gold prices weaken fiat currencies. .
iv been struggling with this whole manipulation theory since I started stacking last year and occasionally visiting silver doctors site. If "they" fear PMs why would they manipulate price to be affordable to the average person?. isint more likely that there's simply to much available at the moment. like I said im new to this so go easy on me on this one lol
Really? The answer to this is so blatantly obvious you have looked right past it. Gold isn't anything but a thorn in their Ponzi asses! All the gold in the country doesn't remotely compare to the amount of fiat in terms of wealth. Gold is a gauge that measures how well the scheme is going so if its going bad (as it truly is) then why would THEY not suppress gold in order to prop their fake money? After all the whole currency system is a scam to make the filthy rich more rich and more powerful so what makes you think they wouldn't do something so minor as to rig markets?
If the price of gold escalated then the countries with the most gold would benefit the most and that isn't USA! They sold most all of it to the west. THEY seem arrogantly confident in that their charade will go on forever. They are most probably smart enough to know that it will end and they have a well laid plan for when it does end. I have read that some people suspect that THEY will end it before it ends on its own in an effort to maximize their position according to their plan. Possible? No ....probable!
Gold and Silver Price Manipulation: The "Golden" Cat is Out of The Bag! By Bill Holter Global Research, November 11, 2014 Gold and silver price manipulation, "we" have talked and written about it for years. I can still remember speaking two or three times a week with the late Harry Bingham back in 1997 and '98 regarding this topic. No matter what "event" popped up which logically and in the past should/would have pushed the price of gold higher, we would see waterfall action instead. Then along came Bill Murphy and Chris Powell of GATA. They put forth all sorts of anecdotal evidence, work by Frank Veneroso, James Turk and others which made the "manipulation picture" clearer. Each piece along the way was added to the previous pieces and made it more clear "we were right". http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-...s-settles-over-gold-rigging-many-more-banks-f Of course, along the way there have been slurs and smears of GATA's work and those of us who put the pieces together shedding light on the fact that gold and silver prices were manipulated. I must say, it was quite a frustrating experience when often times there was obvious evidence to the 3rd grade mentalities out there yet supposedly "smart" people would just turn their noses up saying "that proves nothing". Even the latest operation last Wednesday at 12:30 AM where one week's worth of global gold production (40 tons) was sold in the tight window of and Indian holiday and Chinese/Japanese lunch break was "apologized away" as being "routine selling". Yes, I will agree, it has "become routine" but in no way is it "right". Selling that which does not exist is illegal, morally wrong and in this case aimed squarely at suppressing the price. This is either "price fixing", or "collusion", both supposedly illegal. UBS has agreed to pay a fine without of course admitting any guilt. It is said there are several other banks negotiating their own deals in London on this same issue. So yes, the prices of gold and silver have in fact been manipulated unless you want to say UBS and the other banks are agreeing to pay their fines out of "nuisance" and just want it to go away. I find the timing of this very interesting. Is this action coming out of London in an effort to show the Chinese (G-20 and the rest of the world) they are cleaning up their act? What about here in the U.S.? Will the CFTC stand alone and look the other way finding "nothing actionable"? As for the 40 tons "sold" last week, do you think the Germans might be thinking "hey, we want some of that, where's our gold? We asked for less than that for year one and only got 5 tons, was some (or all) of that 40 tons our gold?". In my opinion, London's action of bringing this to light now is very significant. Not just because of the BRICS and G-20 meeting but because it comes at a time when GOFO rates spiked negatively suggesting a very tight gold supply in London. Are the British regulators trying to get out ahead of this? Is it possible that the vaults are close to empty? Based on what we know of Chinese and Indian imports the last few years, Western vaults have certainly been dented badly, maybe this move by the regulators is a "tell"? We will soon know one way or the other! The UBS fine in my opinion is merely the tip of the iceberg and before this saga is over we will find out that gold and silver prices have been "locked" down in many other various ways. We know about the "gold fix" being "fixed". Now we know about UBS and LBMA dealings not being proper, the last straw will be COMEX in the "land of free and fair markets" but I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for U.S. regulators. This "rigging" revelation has many more and far reaching repercussions than first meets your eye. This is not about gold, nor silver. This is not even just about the dollar, interest rates or the Treasury markets. This is about EVERYTHING! First, it's about the "honesty" of Western markets which for 100 years has been held up as the reason "why" to invest in the West. Next, it is about the standard of living in the West, particularly the U.S.. If gold and silver were allowed to rally, back in 1997 and '98, maybe the dot com bubble would never have occurred or at least to the extent that it did. The housing crisis would not have happened because interest rates could not have been lowered the way they were. The U.S. could not have gone $18 trillion into debt because we could not have afforded 6% interest rates on the balance. The past economic "growth" and standard of living would have been far lower. Elections (if not stolen) would have come out differently, people would have lived their lives differently and decisions on the allocation of capital would have been far different. Yes, EVERYTHING "would have" been different! So here we are and now we know. The "lunatics" who sounded logical but were "always wrong" were right all along and for the right reasons! What will this mean? If as I believe, the Chinese and the rest of the world are now demanding free, fair and honest markets out of the West as a requirement to doing business and "sitting at the table", then "things" will change in a very big way! Call it a re set, dollar devaluation, financial crisis or whatever you'd like, "it" is coming. The standard of living in the West is about to change. We will be required to work, and actually produce things. No longer will we be allowed to import real goods and export as payment fake money. The fake money will be devalued and with it all savings being held by institutions solvent or no. I want to go back to the very basics as to what "underpriced gold" means. It means that your dollars are valued too high. It means that the interest rates you pay on everything are too low. This means that your house is worth less than you think because new buyer's incomes can't stretch to current pricing. It means the stocks you own are far too high and their PE ratios should be much lower. It means that everyday goods you buy from WalMart should cost more. Europe is living with $10 per gallon gasoline while we are under $3, how will that sit when it hits our shores? None of these "situations" should have or could have ever happened if gold was priced higher, maybe multiples higher than it is and has been. Now, the cat has come gingerly crawling out of the bag and everything I and my "tinfoil hat" colleagues have told you for so long turns out to have been so. Will the "re set" or adjustment we have been telling you of be slow and orderly or overnight and disorderly? This I do not know. What I do know is that it will occur and if you have not prepared for it you will never have the chance again to "catch up". This is all about your savings and whether they will have value when you need them. This is all about "equality" around the world. Jim Sinclair calls it "the great leveling" which can be seen from two separate points of view. First, if you have it in paper form it will be "leveled". Secondly if you are a producer of goods and are not being properly compensated your efforts will become "leveled out" and you will be compensated. It is really this simple folks, we have lived a lie put forth by our monetary authorities, we wanted to believe it because it was a "good lie". We benefitted from it and enjoyed the fruits of the lies for many years. If you can see this and admit it to yourself, now, not tomorrow (or especially next week), get cracking and protect yourself because the truth is going to hurt a whole bunch! http://www.globalresearch.ca/gold-a...tion-the-golden-cat-is-out-of-the-bag/5413413 Comment on Global Research Articles on our Facebook page
The thing about "conspiracies" is that the "conspirators" may not actually have a tacit agreement between them, yet their combined actions derived from mutual self-interest may lead to the same result. If you have the capacity to "own" sufficient PM, then small movements can still yield reasonable returns. Big money playing these small movements can cause significant amplification of the movements (volatility) and if erstwhile competitors just happen to be going in the same direction, you can have plummets or steep rises. I would have no doubt that all markets are manipulated to a degree - QE has been manipulation on a massive scale.
