Silver heading down. Sub US $20 back on the cards?

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  1. CoolSiver

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    Don't forget, the entire innovation in usage of nano technology in medical science makes gold a very highly needed metal. In 3-5 years timeframe I bet, we will see significantly increased usage of Gold and so the costs..
     
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    Do you think that the price of a product, that hung for 2 decades due to sales of existing stocks AND rather big technological/industrial/scientific advances (computers being a major one), will be just 20% more for another couple decades? Do you see similar big improvements to happen in the economy? I don't. It's possible that we see $15 for some years, but $6? I hope so, but I wont wait for it lol, I'll be adding silver much 'sooner' haha.
     
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    $16 is right around the corner!
     
  4. Pirocco

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    Where were you 4 weeks ago, when the price reached $22?
    Then I saw the "SpringfieldStackers" talk 'bout $24-25. :D
     
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    SpacePete Well-Known Member Silver Stacker

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    The cards have been dealt. Spot dropped below $20. Where to next?
     
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    4 for an oz of silver. there is definitely going to be a shortage, if the US mint is selling out at 12.

    put it this way, the guys manipulating the price picked up 900 million $ worth at 11.67, it won't go much lower than that. maybe 11 but we will see

    GBP in case you were wondering.
     
  7. DanielM

    DanielM Active Member Silver Stacker

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    Anyone think we will see $18's tonight?
     
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    Silverman99 Well-Known Member Silver Stacker

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    Sub $18 here we come
     
  9. Yendor

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    Gold is about to drop below AUD$1400/oz. Cheap enough to start gold stacking?
     
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    I'm holding out for a Monster Box.
     
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    Perhaps sub $19 by close of the day Friday
     
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    Gold seems supported at $1400. If it breaks through $1395, I'd expect it to keep dropping until at least $1350. Not a scientific TA though - just gut feeling.
     
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    In other words, you think it might go up, down, or stay the same, but whatever it does, you think it might do it. You are a well-paid financial adviser, right? :rolleyes:
     
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    It's had quick dips past $1395, but bounces straight back up. I wonder if it can maintain that next week?
     
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    SpacePete Well-Known Member Silver Stacker

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    You think it could head down further next week? I get the feeling there is some resiliency at this price level. I'm probably wrong.
     
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    up a dollar,down a dollar I dont care.At $20-$22 spot Im paying about $23-$24/ounce.If we stay at $19 or lower I increase the ozs I buy.At this point I'm buying a tube or so a month.When the price dips I push it to 28 or 30 ozs.This is for name brand coins ie:SAEs,CMLs,britannias etc.If I start to buy rounds I could increase my stack rather quickly.
     
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    The futures market position, reflecting the price risk that the 'pro's' think there is, didn't drop big time with the recent price drop, which gives reason for lower, so I decided to wait swap my last saved euro's to silver.
    25/03/2014 31755 $19.96
    18/03/2014 35900 $20.84
    11/03/2014 37634 $21.32
    04/03/2014 39769 $21.14
    25/02/2014 38985 $21.81
    18/02/2014 32853 $21.62
    The 2008 bottom position was 20000.
    In 2012 and 2013 we saw decade-low positions, the 2013 was even the lowest in all the data I have avail. So it's not "that" likely to return. But the 20000 is quite "common" so reasonable to wait for.
    The unknown element are the silver ETF's. These didn't sell big time alike their gold equivalents did last year. It's a rather weird gold-silver market difference. Because hard to find an explanation for. And yet, despite they didn't sell their shares, the silver price dropped with golds.
    As of recently, another weird element popped up with the biggest, IShares.
    I check http://us.ishares.com/product_info/fund/overview/SLV.htm every day (a very occasional miss is possible), so all lacking dates = no change.
    This is all data I have avail, as to make clear the weird element:
    2012/04/12 308,370,469.900
    2012/05/07 308,191,672.700
    2012/05/11 304,309,376.700
    2012/05/14 305,959,277.700
    2012/05/17 309,258,814.500
    2012/05/18 310,229,256.500
    2012/05/25 310,714,438.500
    2012/05/30 310,035,157.500
    2012/06/04 309,897,800.500
    2012/06/05 310,867,996.500
    2012/06/07 310.714.438,500
    2012/06/13 311,741,101.700
    2012/06/22 317,512,767.500
    2012/06/29 315,767,012.300
    2012/07/03 311,271,605.500
    2012/07/12 312,823,227.900
    2012/07/13 311,756,579.900
    2012/07/23 312,144,410.300
    2012/07/25 309,914,477.500
    2012/08/01 312.144.209,700
    2012/08/02 313.759.604,400
    2012/08/06 313.226.434,400
    2012/08/15 312.935.630,400
    2012/08/22 314.583.226,200
    2012/08/23 315.746.223,000
    2012/08/24 314,292,483.000
    2012/08/30 312,548,119.400
    2012/08/31 310,949,150.600
    2012/09/04 310,028,547.400
    2012/09/05 312,962,655.500
    2012/09/10 315,191,323.300
    2012/09/12 314,803,748.100
    2012/09/13 314,077,053.600
    2012/09/18 316,402,423.200
    2012/09/20 319,599,599.800
    2012/09/24 322,021,629.800
    2012/09/26 322,990,383.800
    2012/09/28 319,115,479.800
    2012/10/01 319,551,403.800
    2012/10/02 318,941,345.000
    2012/10/11 318,118,072.400
    2012/10/15 317,827,514.000
    2012/10/17 317,052,725.200
    2012/10/18 317,924,337.400
    2012/10/23 318,892,721.400
    2012/10/24 318,069,610.300
    2012/10/25 319,037,966.300
    2012/11/01 319,812,580.700
    2012/11/02 319,675,305.300
    2012/11/05 320,546,726.700
    2012/11/06 320,934,008.300
    2012/11/08 322,483,099.500
    2012/11/09 323,935,348.500
    2012/11/12 323,306,047.100
    2012/11/13 322,483,146.800
    2012/11/15 321,031,011.800
    2012/11/16 319,578,894.800
    2012/11/19 318,126,801.800
    2012/11/20 317,642,788.800
    2012/11/22 315,658,356.000
    2012/11/28 315,174,390.000
    2012/11/29 314,448,453.000
    2012/11/30 313,722,526.500
    2012/12/04 314,756,320.700
    2012/12/05 316,014,502.300
    2012/12/13 317,369,318.700
    2012/12/20 318,143,414.700
    2012/12/21 322,981,444.700
    2012/12/31 324,239,127.100
    2013/01/03 324,099,581.900
    2013/01/04 323,470,757.600
    2013/01/07 325,115,347.800
    2013/01/10 325,792,488.600
    2013/01/15 326,759,768.600
    2013/01/16 345,137,860.600
    2013/01/22 343,687,009.600
    2013/01/24 337,497,108.800
    2013/01/25 336,578,312.500
    2013/01/28 335,756,245.200
    2013/01/31 333,677,044.700
    2013/02/02 335,175,993.900
    2013/02/04 335,036,944.900
    2013/02/07 335,858,876.200
    2013/02/08 337,406,018.600
    2013/02/15 338,276,212.400
    2013/02/20 338,856,290.000
    2013/02/21 340,886,515.400
    2013/02/27 341,369,860.400
    2013/02/28 342,046,537.800
    2013/03/01 342,433,205.000
    2013/03/04 342,292,222.100
    2013/03/12 344,128,591.100
    2013/03/15 345,095,059.100
    2013/03/19 340,262,979.100
    2013/03/21 341,954,161.600
    2013/03/22 343,645,323.100
    2013/03/27 344,128,478.100
    2013/04/03 343,302,253.400
    2013/04/05 337,505,197.400
    2013/04/15 336,007,785.800
    2013/04/23 331,757,790.600
    2013/04/25 333,303,182.600
    2013/04/26 334,124,167.000
    2013/04/29 334,607,098.000
    2013/04/30 336,055,837.000
    2013/05/02 335,376,960.800
    2013/05/09 335,666,675.000
    2013/05/15 334,121,683.000
    2013/05/16 331,852,518.300
    2013/05/17 329,631,679.700
    2013/05/20 327,893,650.100
    2013/05/22 322,245,369.800
    2013/05/29 321,279,945.800
    2013/06/04 321,135,274.700
    2013/06/11 321,473,111.500
    2013/06/20 320,990,547.500
    2013/06/21 323,885,835.500
    2013/06/25 317,709,349.100
    2013/06/26 317,998,855.700
    2013/06/27 318,481,348.700
    2013/07/03 320,267,163.300
    2013/07/05 323,161,899.300
    2013/07/08 322,631,213.100
    2013/07/12 327,455,323.100
    2013/07/16 328,227,127.900
    2013/07/18 330,638,952.900
    2013/07/24 335,269,311.300
    2013/07/26 334,979,923.500
    2013/08/01 334,401,194.700
    2013/08/02 334,262,543.500
    2013/08/13 336,094,888.300
    2013/08/15 338,409,381.100
    2013/08/21 339,373,701.100
    2013/08/28 340,820,040.100
    2013/08/30 338,795,220.100
    2013/09/04 338,666,855.900
    2013/09/11 339,630,913.900
    2013/09/13 337,510,087.500
    2013/09/19 340,883,814.500
    2013/09/24 341,751,284.900
    2013/10/03 341,606,142.200
    2013/10/07 339,678,718.200
    2013/10/11 337,751,450.200
    2013/10/16 334,089,777.800
    2013/10/23 335,727,679.200
    2013/10/31 337,654,563.200
    2013/11/04 337,510,405.700
    2013/11/13 335,776,562.900
    2013/11/18 334,524,434.500
    2013/11/22 333,079,850.500
    2013/11/25 332,116,808.500
    2013/11/29 331,442,709.900
    2013/11/03 331,297,122.100
    2013/12/10 328,216,037.300
    2013/12/17 326,001,625.500
    2013/12/24 321,814,189.100
    2013/12/30 320,177,792.900
    2014/01/03 318,597,649.500
    2014/01/10 320,041,282.500
    2014/01/14 318,116,486.500
    2014/01/17 322,446,926.500
    2014/01/31 324,563,599.300
    2014/02/05 324,422,849.100
    2014/02/07 322,979,783.100
    2014/02/12 324,422,753.100
    2014/02/14 322,498,869.100
    2014/02/18 326,346,613.100
    2014/02/20 324,134,298.300
    2014/02/24 326,635,134.700
    2014/02/26 328,077,858.700
    2014/03/03 326,923,758.700
    2014/03/05 326,803,953.400
    Notice the frequency of the updates as of lately (2014/03). We saw quite some price change over that period, yet since 2014/03/05 no updates. It's hard to believe that Ishares' shareholders on a net total basis ceased to buy/sell shares. But if that wasn't true, then it must imply that Ishares fund management ceased to update their stock, which in turn would mean that they stopped to let the Exchange Traded Fund track the silver price, or in other words: the ETF share value was discoupled from the silver price, rendering them to separate markets where the Fund shareholders only able to drain off eachother in the zero-sum market fashion.
     
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    It's weird that you think spot would be influenced by one ETF with just 10 ton of Ag holdings. I've told you before Pirocco, silver is most influenced by producers and consumers and not investments.
     
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    http://us.ishares.com/product_info/fund/overview/SLV.htm
    Are you jesting?
    IShares alone holds not 10 ton, but over 10000 ton silver, being one third of a worlds annual total supply.
     
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    As Pirocco said!!
     

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