billabong get in on the ground floor

Discussion in 'Stocks & Derivatives' started by K11TS00bullion, Sep 20, 2013.

  1. K11TS00bullion

    K11TS00bullion New Member

    Joined:
    Jun 1, 2013
    Messages:
    89
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Location:
    Australia, Adelaide
    For everyone looking to get in on the ground floor and go long I
    highly suggest billabong under 0.50 and yes I dod buy some today for
    45cents... with all the new appointments of a new ceo and new financing
    I think for anyone that holds long your in for some real profit. For anyone
    who doesn't think so its fine we all have our own opinions and this is mine.

    cheers
     
  2. trew

    trew Active Member Silver Stacker

    Joined:
    Aug 24, 2011
    Messages:
    3,653
    Likes Received:
    7
    Trophy Points:
    38
    Location:
    Melbern
    Got no opinion but have you worked out the dilution of the recap deal announced yesterday ?
    All new shares are being issued to the consortium at 41c
    retail holders will be offered shares at 28c in a rights issue but doesn't say when or what the cutoff date for participation in the rights issue will be
     
  3. willrocks

    willrocks Well-Known Member Silver Stacker

    Joined:
    May 10, 2012
    Messages:
    7,777
    Likes Received:
    7,199
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Not one for me I'm afraid.

    A company that sells $5 tee shirts for $50 isn't likely to do well during a sustained economic downturn.
     
  4. boston

    boston Well-Known Member Silver Stacker

    Joined:
    Jul 7, 2009
    Messages:
    3,857
    Likes Received:
    24
    Trophy Points:
    48
    Location:
    Australia
    ^^^ This.
     
  5. K11TS00bullion

    K11TS00bullion New Member

    Joined:
    Jun 1, 2013
    Messages:
    89
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Location:
    Australia, Adelaide
    We will just have to see where it goes.

    And yes ive taken in all avenues. . Which is what everyone should
    do before they invest in a business.

    And to willrocks.. hmm good point not sure how armani, gucci, ralph Lauren maintain there business in this economy. Think about things before you accuse a business of over pricing.

    Oh and don't forget summer in australia is coming soon... which will definately boost sales and help recovery. . But we will just have to see the share price. . Just dont delete ur comments if the business does do a big turn around just as I wont if it drops.

    cheers
     
  6. House

    House Well-Known Member Silver Stacker

    Joined:
    May 1, 2012
    Messages:
    9,527
    Likes Received:
    287
    Trophy Points:
    83
    Location:
    Stack City
    ^^^ that's pretty much every fashion label. G-Star, Ksubi, Esprit etc. They pay about $1.50 for a t-shirt and sell it for $50+. Pair of jeans? $12-$18 and sell them for $120+

    Unfortunately in Aus excessive rents, high wages and many other expenses means that profit margin drops significantly. It might look like a $45 profit per t-shirt but net profit on each would easily be as low as $10.
     
  7. finicky

    finicky Well-Known Member Silver Stacker

    Joined:
    Jun 10, 2011
    Messages:
    3,468
    Likes Received:
    75
    Trophy Points:
    48
    Location:
    Dreamworld
    Not for me - might be a basement level or two under the "ground floor". Why take the risk I reckon - plenty else that's less risky, has no debt and still has speculative appeal. What have they done but show they can lose squillions in the last couple of years? Recovery if it happens should be slow.

    Doubling the amount of shares. The A$386m 'New Term Debt' is secured (against company's assets) and is priced at 11.9% pa

    The renounceable rights issue is at 28c so there'll be profit taking from above that level = 'overhang'; plus the placement shares will be a selling threat
    Above 50c there's the threat of the options exercisable @ 50c ex. Says there are 42m BBGAO @ 50c and almost 30m free options proposed to be issued to Cam/Oaktree consortium at 50c.

    Over at Skaffold the optimist(s) have currently chalked in .06 eps FY16 but the pessimist(s) only .003 eps. So called 'consensus' eps only .029 eps FY16. So called consensus intrinsic value FY16 = only 8c! Seven analysts participating.
    For FY15 the pessimist(s) reckons still an earnings loss.
    Doubt that Skaffold has caught up with the new Cambridge/Oaktree offer
     
  8. Revils

    Revils Well-Known Member Silver Stacker

    Joined:
    Jun 20, 2013
    Messages:
    1,043
    Likes Received:
    298
    Trophy Points:
    83
    Location:
    Australia
    I bought at .55 or thereabouts. Looking medium-term, hoping for a reasonable return in 12 months or so. Didn't buy much though so as long as it's above .25 I'm not concerned. Generally not a big fan of consumer realted stocks
     
  9. SilverSanchez

    SilverSanchez Active Member

    Joined:
    Jan 17, 2011
    Messages:
    2,653
    Likes Received:
    13
    Trophy Points:
    38
    Location:
    Melbourne
    Is it a non-renounable rights issue? - answered
     
  10. trew

    trew Active Member Silver Stacker

    Joined:
    Aug 24, 2011
    Messages:
    3,653
    Likes Received:
    7
    Trophy Points:
    38
    Location:
    Melbern
    renounceable and non-underwritten

    In theory if you bought today at 45c you could buy more at 28c in the rights issue and average down,
    but they might come out and say the rights are only available to holders as at 19th Sept (yesterday)


    K11TS00bullion:
    I'm not offering an opinion either way - haven't had much of a look
    These days as soon as I see a company struggling with debt I just walk away and don't look any further
    I'm sure that leads to missed opportunities but I've been burnt too many times in the past
     
  11. Roswell Crash Survivor

    Roswell Crash Survivor Well-Known Member Silver Stacker

    Joined:
    Apr 11, 2011
    Messages:
    2,619
    Likes Received:
    505
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Location:
    Nevada
    Some of the liabilities on their balance sheet do raise serious question marks.

    Their retail business model isn't exactly inspiring either.
     
  12. willrocks

    willrocks Well-Known Member Silver Stacker

    Joined:
    May 10, 2012
    Messages:
    7,777
    Likes Received:
    7,199
    Trophy Points:
    113

    The difference being that Billabong attempts to cater to the mass market, whereas armani, gucci, ralph Lauren all specifically target the very wealthy (or the less well-off idiots who will happily part with money in an attempt to appear wealthy).

    During a sustained economic downturn the mass market always tighten their belts. Whereas the wealthy - they'll always have money to burn.
     
  13. finicky

    finicky Well-Known Member Silver Stacker

    Joined:
    Jun 10, 2011
    Messages:
    3,468
    Likes Received:
    75
    Trophy Points:
    48
    Location:
    Dreamworld
    Yuck chart after Friday's action, and anticipating a down day on Monday for the ASX.
    Closed on its intraday low with highest volume for a month
    momentum: RSI might have failed to cross above neutral, MACD failing to cross positive
    Worse to come should it close below 41c imo

    [​IMG]
     
  14. petey

    petey Active Member Silver Stacker

    Joined:
    May 19, 2010
    Messages:
    1,043
    Likes Received:
    7
    Trophy Points:
    38
    Location:
    Luxembourg
    The high end brands will fare better than the mid range IMO.

    The rich will always have money. It's the middle class that are being fleeced, remember.
     
  15. Numismatist

    Numismatist New Member

    Joined:
    Apr 8, 2013
    Messages:
    84
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Location:
    Australia
    Ground floor for this stock was when it was priced in the early teens and low 20's when the debt restructure was first announced a few months ago.

    At 40-50cents im sitting on the fence, what worries me the most about this company is that they have sold off a few of their crown jewels.

    For instance one of their successfil sub brands 'Nixon' is a popular watch brand which was secretly sold off. This brand was an asset that previously contributed almost 30 per cent of operating earnings for the group!!!!


    http://www.theaustralian.com.au/bus...n91v9q3-1226723994113#sthash.Umo0Lgoq.dpufwas


    Nice designs but they are seriously large watches.... way too chunky for my liking imo, but that's the fashion these days.

    [​IMG]
     
  16. Revils

    Revils Well-Known Member Silver Stacker

    Joined:
    Jun 20, 2013
    Messages:
    1,043
    Likes Received:
    298
    Trophy Points:
    83
    Location:
    Australia
    Bought a bit more after this post and averaged .48 - closed my position today at .7 - 45% higher
     
  17. finicky

    finicky Well-Known Member Silver Stacker

    Joined:
    Jun 10, 2011
    Messages:
    3,468
    Likes Received:
    75
    Trophy Points:
    48
    Location:
    Dreamworld
    ^^^

    Well you must have been confident to average down, BBG hit a low of 30c after your first post
     

Share This Page