Radiologist discovers 15 sophisticated molybdenum filled fake ASE.

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  1. Emanance

    Emanance Guest

    Original Article & Pics:
    http://www.silver-coin-investor.com/Tungsten-Silver-Or-More-Salt-in-the-Open-Wound.html
    http://silverdoctors.com/tungsten-silver-fake-ases-discovered/

     
  2. Clawhammer

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    Geezus....all that effort!?..allegedly :)
     
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    Anything to make a dollar out of a dollar
     
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    I read the comments of that article at silver doctors. There was a lot of difference in the look of the coins too.

    Eg. Difference in the font of the "U" in United states and the lines on the shield
     
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    Hardly "official confirmed report" of "tungsten molybdenum" - it's a report of fakes with "some kind of alloy".

    Regardless, eBay fakes strike again :/ Fake ASEs on eBay seem to be becoming more prevalent.

    A Secret Service issue in the US and an AFP issue in Australia. If you buy a coin anywhere in Australia and it turns out to be counterfeit, contact the AFP. They do investigate and take it seriously, particularly with modern coinage, including silver bullion coins.
     
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    All that risk and work for a $30 coin?
     
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    I would think it would be the monster boxes that stay unopened that would be the profit makers . If i had a box of 2000 ASE's i would be cracking it open ASAP
    Lets face it anyone with a decent stack doesnt even look at most coins or even open tubes. There could be thousands of them & nobody would know any better
     
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    These coins are not being sold in monster boxes, let alone tubes. They're bulk fakes sold loose, and most I've looked into seem to ship from Hong Kong.

    If they are in a greentop ASE tube, it's because an end scammer has moved them into those tubes for resale to add authenticity to the fakes.
     
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    This is not good at all. I mean, aside from the fact that the reverse side is flipped in the wrong position, these fake "coins" seem to be remarkably well made. Weight, size off by such a small amount that most people would probably not even suspect. These could easily be sold unsuspectingly to coin shops or dealers who in turn sell them to their customers. All these fraudsters have to do is get the orientation of the sides right and it's as good as money in the bank for them. Afterall, how many people actually have inexpensive access to the equipment to x-ray coins?
     
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    I've had an idea to produce a 3D printable version of the fisch coin tester for various silver coins. Then distribute the files, or sell a printed version for people who don't have a 3D printer.
     
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    Sounds like a good idea. Cept are those things patented or something?
     
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    It wouldn't be an exact copy. But use a similar principle. I think the idea has been around long enough (patents only last 10 years).

    Would use a printer such as this: http://www.rapid3d.com.au/products/cube
     
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    "Patents only last 10 years" - you might want to check with a patent lawyer. My understanding is that patents in Australia are valid for 20 years. :|
     
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    Could be right. I checked elsewhere it said maximum of 20 years.

    However I don't think Fisch are even registered patients in Australia (see: http://pericles.ipaustralia.gov.au/ols/auspat/quickSearch.do?queryString=fisch+coin&resultsPerPage=).
     

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