using a normal safe as a floor safe

i dont know if the subject was very good, but i would like to know what people think of this item

i was going to get this safe

http://www.honeywellstore.com/store...7-266-cu-steel-security-safe-digital-lock.htm

and pretty much put it on its back, and have it buried in the new concrete pad of a shed, flush with the top of the pad, maybe 1/2 inch below the top of the pad.

it will be reinforced in a big way, im talking paranoid crazy person reinforced, cause you might as well install it correctly the first time, then trying to dig it up, and fix it.

but anyway, what i was wanting to know, how does the upright safes go being on there back, i think they should be ok, but what has peoples found out?

cheers

 

With those safes, give me 5-10 minutes at max and I can get it open, might destroy a couple of bits but not to much, depends if its susceptible to the potato trick. If you are going to go to the effort of concreting it in, get a real safe, they are reasonably cheap on eBay

Not knowing enough about the hinges on it, but you need to make sure they can take the load in the horizontal direction you are putting it in, one of the larger ones I have for example given the hinge style would not be able to take the weight of its door in the horizontal position, the other one would be fine, if it runs on bearings (I have never seen one that does, but you never know) you need to take into account the load force direction on the bearings as well.

 

There's plenty of good second hand, high quality safes. At least much better than a $2XX new one.

 

Not being an expert on these things, but I don't trust digital safes - especially the cheap ones. In terms of cost I guess the question is whether you are after something that is "burglar resistant" or "burglar proof". Also fire proof.


[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eOdmMb90YEE[/youtube]

 

heya, yeah i have just been on youtube, and seen that
dont worry, im looking for another safe now.
what about a gun safe ?

 

concreting it would probably warp the fit of the door.

http://www.cmisafe.com.au/infloor_safes.htm

 

Care to elaborate? Slightly cryptic.

 

i think the floor safe idea, will be put in the too hard basket, and ill just go for a good free standing one,

 

Actually, I found this link in my bookmarks. It must have been good enough that I saved it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ltK-bDbADa8&feature

 

That was actually pretty good, that guy knew a fair bit about safes

Also gonna try to break into my electronic safe using that trick

 

Pulling UP the door would be a pain in the a$$ on a big safe, and god forbid it should close on some part of your body.
Get a duel key + pad gun safe, put smaller safes inside it.

 

Anything decent will set you back a few.
GP is saying spend at least $3k to get something decent.

 

http://www.safesgalore.com.au/view/commercialsafes_highsecuritysafes/247

Something like that dyna bolted to a concrete pad in the corner of a room.

Just a suggestion.

Edit thats brand new, you can get second hand safes a lot cheaper

 

Even if the safe hasn't been tampered with. Assume the thief knows about your main safe (unless you have 100% proof they didn't find it e.g. video surveillance). If they know you have a safe, they WILL be back.

 

One of the biggest issues with having a floor safe installed when the slab is poured, is who else knows it is there?

You will have probably 4 guys laying concrete, plus the truck driver etc etc...

Word can get around easily, and a couple of months later.... good bye safe, and its contents.

Best bet is to install it yourself, or get a REPUTABLE safe company to do it for you, after the slab & building works are finished.

 

One option is to get a cheap safe that's fire proof, then hide it somewhere where there's not a hope in hell a burglar would find it. The fire proofness is the only part that matters then.

It's easier if you stack gold, cos you only need a tiny safe (unless you're a millionaire).

 

Even if you don't , they'll be back.
Tasmanian police research (on stats from the US, Scotland Canada & Australia) has shown that 1/4-1/2 of all burglary victims are repeat victims. Of those hit a second time within a 1 month period, 50% were hit again within a week!!!

http://crimsafe.com.au/blog/repeat-burglaries-how-at-risk-are-we/

If you're going to use a decoy safe, don't put a nasty letter in there. Put in some crappy jewelry and old worthless documents, reciepts etc stuff they won't understand the value of. Putting a "nyar-nyar, tricked you" message in there is just a red rag to a bull....they'll come back out of spite.

Try to keep your lawn and garden well kept... they'll think you're a house proud retiree that never leaves.

 

i went down to a place in rockingham today, and told them what sort of safe im looking for, and they are going to try and find one for me, and then let me know a price.