2020 Collapse

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  1. sgbuyer

    sgbuyer Well-Known Member Silver Stacker

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    Don't look good for silver. Maybe can drop back to $12? Gold will drop but rebound quick and usd will rise so minimum losses. If silver drops big time, time to buy AG and PAAS for x3 gain in 3 months. :D
     
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    Australia should not worry about NPT it is a paper tiger. All Australia has to do is withdraw from from it.

    Any country thats wants a say in the next world war and want to be player should not worry about silly NPT.

    Nuclear weapons has been proven as solid deterent ie North Korea. It worked for North Korea and it will work for Australia if we want to expand into NZ, either of Gunieas or Indonesia or Malaysia.

    If we (Australia) can take all of NZ, PNG and parts of Indonsia it is worth every cents!

    The nuclear capabilty allows us to make a play in expansion!
     
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  3. sgbuyer

    sgbuyer Well-Known Member Silver Stacker

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    No wonder rocket boy is a good friend of Trump. Because they are on the same side.

    What I can't understand is why did Australia buy the submarines from France? The same France that lost WWII.
     
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  4. alor

    alor Well-Known Member Silver Stacker

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    little red button got Kim sanctions, why should there be no sactions for going Nuclear
    Indonesia should buy 20 nukes from NK to aim at 20 cities down under
    this one looks promissing lol
     
  5. hardyakkagold

    hardyakkagold Well-Known Member Silver Stacker

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    I guess they were looking for the most economical quote back then, anyway, it means jack squat where the military equipment is built, what is more important
    is what combat systems they employ, which are all American systems.

    The current diesel-powered Collins-class submarines in use are Swedish-built but still use the American systems as would the French ones if the purchase went ahead.

    So apart from the new power source and more potent nuclear weapons on board, not much will change with the new setup with the Yanks firmly in control of the
    Australia's puppet strings.

    It will be interesting to see if this purchase also blows out to costing double the price or more, as happened with the F35 fighter jets and bankrupts the country.
     
  6. sgbuyer

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    The nukes are a game changer. Good for the whole region.
     
  7. alor

    alor Well-Known Member Silver Stacker

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    https://www.zerohedge.com/geopoliti...stralia-after-new-counter-china-pact-unveiled

    More US Troops & Aircraft Will Deploy To Australia After New 'Counter China' Pact Unveiled

    He also hinted that Australia might host US medium-range missiles that were previously banned under the Intermediate-Range Nuclear Forces Treaty, which the Trump administration withdrew from in 2019. Dutton signaled Australia is open to basing "different ordinances," which he said was in "Australia’s best interest."

    With the Pentagon focused on China, Australia will play a significant role in Washington’s strategy in the Pacific. The nuclear-powered submarines Canberra gains from this new pact will give Australia more abilities to patrol sensitive areas like the South China Sea.

    Australia is a member of the Quad, a security dialogue that also includes the US, India, and Japan, and is seen as a foundation for a possible anti-China NATO-style alliance in Asia. Biden is trying to strengthen the group and will host the first in-person summit between Quad leaders later this month.

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    Looks like more Mess would come down under ;)
     
  8. hardyakkagold

    hardyakkagold Well-Known Member Silver Stacker

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    The nukes thing changes nothing, it will still be the same overseas entities in control of them as now, the only thing that will change will be the confirmation
    that there will be nukes on or near the Australian landmass.

    If you believe that Aussie politicians or generals will be in charge of the nukes, then I have a cheap harbour bridge to sell you;)
     
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  9. sgbuyer

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    True, but lack of self defense won't protect you in anyway. If there's a mad man slashing everyone arounds him, do you think it's better to have a lethal weapon on hand or no weapon?
     
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    hardyakkagold Well-Known Member Silver Stacker

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    Any way you look at it Australia is a sitting duck, waiting to be taken over.

    It is not a matter of if but when and by who.

    While the CCP is undoubtedly to be wary of there are other potential invader threats out there as well.

    It would need a military budget of 10 times the current expenditure, for Australia to have any sort of meaningful deterrent to an invader,
    which obviously is never going to happen.

    So if franchising half a dozen nuclear subs from the US with the nuke launch codes remaining with the supplier is going to make us all feel safer and more secure
    then the politicians have put another one over us.
     
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    precisely, the speed of the Chinese to produce the deterrent would remains, or even accerelated now. it can be 7-8 years instead of full 10 years
    If Japan join in, things would get real out off hand, since the Russian would be in too. to protect their inslands near Japan, they can even station nuclear arsenals there. Its close to US too.
     
  12. sgbuyer

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    This is true, but many powers are interested in Australia and they would also be fighting each other. Russia is supplying India with S-500?

    The S-500 is a geopolitical weapon, it's not just for making money. You don't supply the S-500 unless it's an ally you will defend if attacked upon. It's a defacto military alliance.

    Australia is still the best place to be if real war breaks out because it is far away from these powers.

    Japan is also a potential hidden power which most people brush off because of animes and hello kitty, but I'm not fooled.
     
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  13. hardyakkagold

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    I don't know if I agree with you that Australia is the best place to be if real war breaks out between the superpowers, as we will be targeted because of our many
    US bases and telecommunication installations which would be amongst the first places targeted.
    While most of these are remote the fact that we will have nukes here will make many other locations susceptible to attack strikes including population centers.

    As for the Russians supplying the Indians with the S-500, I think that is more of a business money-making deal rather than any alliance forming.
    The Indians are buying military technology and hardware from Israel, the US, as well as other countries as they are terrified of the Chinese.

    So the Russians see the Indians as more of a money-making customer than a military ally, with of course the added bonus of shifting the power balance slightly away
    from the Chinese who hold such superiority over the Indians.

    And I agree with you about the Japanese, I am not fooled by their outward pacifism either, their fascist mentality about being superior to other nations still
    runs deep in their veins.
    Plus they have undisclosed nuclear weapons as well which they will use if the Chinese are stupid enough to attack them.
     
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    Chinese does not attack the Japanese, when Jap attack, they got detroyed.
     
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    Maria Zakharova questioned herself at mid-day: ′′ Why this anger and bitterness? Breaking contracts seems, for France, a normal thing. In 2015, Paris had cancelled a contract with Russia on two Mistral helicopter holders ′′
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  16. sgbuyer

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    Hasn't changed from 80 years ago.

     
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    hardyakkagold Well-Known Member Silver Stacker

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    ^^^
    Wow, the unexpected and spontaneous banzai near the end of that video sure highlighted the true Japanese warrior character.

    Many years ago I heard a highly regarded military commentator say that Japan had the world's third-largest nuclear arsenal, at the time I thought he was talking baloney,
    but now I am not so sure...

    Anyway, I think that if China keeps provoking them we will all know soon enough:eek:
     
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    I've been behind on Geo-politics,

    To me its funny that Russia would sell the S-500 to India, as Russia seem buddy buddy with China, which India is defending against.

    I think using the US design, designed for a nuclear reactor, was better than trying to put a diesel engine where it doesn't belong (in the french submarine designed for nuclear). I hope it is not another tax payer money ever after F-35 though.

    One Question that media is quiet on is

    Why couldn't they go with the original French Design with the Nuclear engine.

    The other thing is wasn't the Sub deal inked under federal liberal with Malcolm Turnbull at the helm in 2016.

    Doing a bit more research into this Tony Abbot, when he was PM, was keen to get the Japanese to build our Submarines.
     
  19. alor

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    ^ how the American think your understanding is required
    when US put their missiles surrounding Russia, they claimed, it is short range, but it can be switched to long range, putting Moscow and beyond in range.
    These 8 subs are build for Nukes, so for now they say, there is no war head, later they conviniently slip in some inside it.
    Since the debt ceiling is hit again, so Aust come into the picture, they are just fullfilling the orders from down under
    but most likely, they are UK designed
    Russian S400-500 are defensive in nature, so India or Turkey/NATO member buying them are no problem for Russia
    but US will sanctions India for the purchase, the same way US sanctions Turkey for buying from Russia

    https://www.rt.com/op-ed/535199-australia-submarine-deal-dangerous/
    from the other side
    But the fact remains that the US has no meaningful military counter to China, the UK is not capable of sustaining any credible military presence in the Pacific, and Australia cannot afford to acquire and operate a force of eight nuclear-powered attack submarines. The Australian nuclear submarine project is a dangerous joke that only further exacerbates the existing geopolitical crisis with China by injecting a military dimension which will never see the light of day.
     
  20. sgbuyer

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    True, the banzai puts all the dictators alive today to shame as none holds as much power.
     

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