El Salvador, Dollarisation, and Bitcoin — What to Expect From Here

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  1. alor

    alor Well-Known Member Silver Stacker

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    but can disappeared with it https://t.me/rtintl/7307

    One of biggest Crypto-thefts in history? $3.6BN Africrpyt moguls DISAPPEAR after “hack”

    The brothers who ran a $3.6BN crypto-trading business from their South African home have VANISHED after alleging hackers stole clients’ funds and data - and then imploring investors to NOT contact authorities.
     
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    What about Norway?
     
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    ^ missed Norway
     
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    How should we understand this?

    This entire industry is so weird. This is why I don't even think anyone can trust the "wallet" software for holding their coins. They themselves, the miners, the exchanges... they are all untrustworthy.
     
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    alor Well-Known Member Silver Stacker

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    its a USD based corrupt system, there is no trust, trust had to be written on it to persuade people, sanctions imposed just to use it, it is in itself a form of abused
    so no point to look at it in any otherway, just look the other way
    forget about it, just like sad love
     
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    Could be, but left wing advocates like Howson, Ottenhof and Morozov are always going to push their anti-capitalist values.

    And obviously there's a willing audience if the message confirms the reader’s confirmation bias. :rolleyes:
     
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    mmm....shiney! Administrator Staff Member Silver Stacker

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    The Salvadoran government will saddle future generations with more debt when they buy BTC as part of their plan to issue USD30 worth of the crypto to every individual in El Salvador. That's USD195 million injected into the Salvadoran economy paid for by the people which no doubt will eventually find its way into the accounts of corrupt politicians. Nice work, typical right wing politics, socialise your losses and capitalise your gains. :mad:

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    But I thought that debt doesn't matter
     
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    To a nation that has sovereignty over its currency it doesn't really matter (it does but that's more to do with resource constraints). To a nation that doesn't issue its own currency then debt is a huge problem, because when a country like El Salvador issues debt using another nation's currency, it is at the mercy of that country's central bank policy makers, in this case The Fed and it has to somehow find more USD than it borrowed to repay the loan with interest.

    This is why the whole idea of legalising BTC as a currency in El Salvador is just one huge fraudulent joke.
     
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    Off topic but how would a country like Lebanon recover from their financial positions besides a benevolent gift of USD?
     
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    I don't know much about Lebanon's economy but the first thing they need to do is create demand for their native currency. One suggestion I've read for EU nations that don't have sovereignty over their currency is to issue tax-bonds, they are sovereign bonds that can be used to offset a company's tax obligations in Lebanon or they can be redeemed like a traditional sovereign bond generating a return with interest, it would depend upon the economic conditions at the time.

    El Salvador could do the same rather than legalising another currency over which they have no control.
     
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    Their only remaining companies are zombified government corps
     
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    I was thinking international companies. They would bring investment in to the country.
     
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    None give the Lebanese lira a second glance
     
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    destruction by such a weapon a punishment for joining the BRI
    the whole port was gone
     
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    That’s why the government needs to incentivise its adoption. Anything else won’t work as it won’t enable Lebanon’s government and CB to retain control.

    Then they’ve got the monumental task of rebuilding their trashed economy by ensuring that production meets demand. The resource constraints arising from the trashing of the economy is what creates inflation in the first place.
     
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    Taking off my "Rub Out Corruption In El Salvador" hat, according to stuff I've read, remittances contribute around 21% of total Salvadoran GDP per year. There are large fees associated with this and many Salvadoran's don't have easy access to banks and can put themselves at risk traveling to get deposits in USD that relatives in the US have made to their accounts.

    Strike uses the Lightning Network and at the moment will take no fee for this enterprise. The plan is that Salvadoran remittances are made in USD, this gets converted into BTC and sent over the lightning network nearly instantly, where it's converted back into USD or whatever in the account of the receiver, who instead of having to travel many km along criminal infested roads, can get the funds safely into their possession, with minimal cost on a mobile wallet.

    That bit sounds pretty good to me.
     
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    The utility of crypto for Forex is indisputable.
     
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