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  1. TreasureHunter

    TreasureHunter Well-Known Member

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    Yes, it's a peculiar region.
    One that has terrible geographic problems: can barely connect with itself, even. Think about all that long way boats from China have to make only to reach Europe. It's the longest continent with terrible connections with itself!

    How can you travel from Europe to East Asia besides by flying?
    It can take 10-12 hours just to fly from one end to the other.

    And "Eurasia" has tremendous barriers within itself: the Tien Shan, the Himalayas, the Kunlun Shan, the Gobi Desert, the vast arid lands across Kazakhstan-Uzbekistan-Turkmenistan, the narrow Suez Canal, the Bosporus, the Caspian- and Black Seas, the Ural Mountains and in a wat Africa and the Middle East also are geographical barriers, as are Iran's and Turkeys dense mountainous regions. It's almost impossible to connect Asia with Europe.

    Perhaps this is why Eurasia is a bit a "forced term".

    If we take into account the political-historical divide, then Eurasia is has plenty of them. It's a divided "mega-continent".

    Obviously, the US is blocking and making sure it keeps Eurasia divided. But it would be divided anyway. The US is just making sure it throws more division into the already complex mega-continent.

    If Eurasia finds itself and if a "Erasian Union" will form (as envisioned by so many experts), then the US will be miserable.
    I believe this is the primary reason why the US makes sure it can divide the "Eurasian countries":
    - Germany and Russia: it is terrifying to the French, the Polish and the USA, but they tried connecting even prior to WW II (indeed, it would have been a nightmare for all of us, if Hitler would have teamed up with Stalin - who could have stopped the two madmen?)
    - EU - China relations (both are rivals of the US, so the US will try to feed the division or even block the Suez canal or... let pirates roam the Arabian Sea and the Gulf of Aden...)
    - the Middle East: it's between Europe and Asia (the US will make sure it's in there and that it also makes China's purchase of Iranian oil very difficult: after all, China buys 10% of its oil from Iran)
    - Western Europe (the "colonialists") vs Central and Eastern Europe (the "former communist block"): the US is developing relations with the eastern countries (dividing Western Europe from the Eastern states) - so far, very successful endeavour
    - Western Europe vs Central and Eastern Europe on China: the "colonialists" hate the "easterners", because they want to develop their own (independent) relations with China, India, Turkey (if this is allowed to happen, then the balance of power will shift easterwards: closer to Istanbul, Moscow, Tel Aviv and Athens - but the "colonialists" certainly don't want that

    Indeed, it's a very complicated continent. THE most complicated.

    However, the multipolar world will most likely happen. The influence of the west is already weakened, regional powers will rule: India, China, Turkey, Iran, Russia... of course, they will hate each other more.
     
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    Well, the Mongols had no issues traveling between Moscow and Beijing in the 13th Century AD? There you are, the Eurasian empire. :D

    The tien shan and gobi isn't a problem for the tang empire.

    Look at the map. The parts in pink are under their control.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_the_Tang_dynasty

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    Yes, indeed. But in modern days when you think of supply chains, transportation lines ("Belt and Road"), then you can see the problems in reaching from one point ot the other.

    There are few routes with too many intermediate stops and it takes a lot of time to travel (land or sea).
     
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    sgbuyer Well-Known Member Silver Stacker

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    It's not as far as most people think. 6 nights is very short. I'm quite sure the sea journey even in modern times will take a month or more.

    7,621 km

    Moscow to Beijing via Mongolia: This is arguably the most interesting Trans-Siberian route to take. The weekly Trans-Mongolian train (train 4 eastbound, train 3 westbound) leaves Moscow for Beijing every Tuesday night. The 7,621 km (4,735 mile) journey takes 6 nights.
     
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    For one person that's an adventure. But we're talking about the mass-transportation of goods. How many tonnes of products can you transport back and forth between Europe and Asia (not just China) by land?

    Very small amount (I am very curious to investigate).

    Asia and Europe need better rail and sea transportation connections and also logistical centers, as the two halves of the same continent blend together to form the great new continent: EurAsia.
     
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    A very interesting video popped up:
    'China's tone is problematic': Palau President explains his China mistrust | Latest English News

     
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    sgbuyer Well-Known Member Silver Stacker

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    I'm not surprised, from my experience, the only way to handle is to ignore. Walk away. Do not have any dealings, cut it off.
     
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    You mean what?
     
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    Japanese government says it WILL release irradiated water from Fukushima nuclear plant into the sea
    Countries would boycott Japan for this!
     
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    Is this garbage thread still going?

    How far off topic are you guys now?
     
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    alor Well-Known Member Silver Stacker

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    un collapse it, so keep the chain going BuggedOut
     
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    Not effective, try mixing it.

    1+1=100? :D

     
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    sgbuyer Well-Known Member Silver Stacker

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    this is the best thread on this forum. lots of information if you read from the beginning. and stuff that actually impacts the real world. :D
     
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    I'd rather stab my own eyes out.

    If the information was valuable it'd be worthy of it's own thread, instead of hijacking a thread about something that has already passed and did not come to fruition.

    From what I can see this thread 135 pages long and at least the most recent half is loaded with garbage. Much of it has just become a Singapore vs CCP propagandized pissing contest.
     
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    sgbuyer Well-Known Member Silver Stacker

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    Well, what do you expect if one of them pretends to be an Ozzie and starts posting propaganda on this forum?
     
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    one of them pretends to be an Mozzie
    and using SG flag hidden behind a VPN
     
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    sgbuyer Well-Known Member Silver Stacker

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    what's a mozzie? o_O
     

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