2020 Collapse

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  1. mmm....shiney!

    mmm....shiney! Administrator Staff Member Silver Stacker

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    Nope. It pays for a day's tuition in a top English public school for some African President's daughter. Now that is unethical.
     
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  2. TreasureHunter

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    You're right ;)

    I calculated roughly 8 $/meal for a day. Yes, with rice you can feed many more. Are you sure about 10,000 people?

    Perhaps 2,000-3,000 people. I find 10,000 a lot. OK, if you give them only rice and the cheapest rice, it's probably doable.

    One needs proteins, vitamins, minerals as well. Rice is just "bio polystyrene" with few nutrients.
     
  3. sgbuyer

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    Lots of ways to live a 98% rice diet.

    You can rear chicken, feed them a little rice and they eat grass, which has a lot of protein and they lay eggs. In desperate situations, there are rats, snakes and insects that can be caught.

    https://theaseanpost.com/article/myanmars-poorest-are-desperate

    Rice can be eaten with lentil curry, fermented fish, fermented vegetables, all of which have nutrients and proteins, cost very little (since a little is used) and doesn't need refrigeration.
     
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    In the New World Order, it's ok for the king to be different. The african president is the equivalent of the king of the african nation. It's like north korea. Only the king can be fat and have multiple wives. Subjects, even governors must follow rules.

    It sounds weird but this is how things are moving. We've gradually moving towards a society in which only the king and emperors will have any say. The rest, even the "nobility" are just faceless digits. The king and emperor are immortals. That's why we have lese majestes.
     
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    Spending $800 on a meal is not unethical.

    Western nations, in particular Anglo-Saxon, long gave up the feudal system, recognised that all humans are equal and instituted laws upholding property rights. It's not perfect yet, but it's the reason Western nations lead the world in most sectors.

    African nations on the other hand... Now that's some unethical shit there. And it can't simply be attributed to colonialism. It's cultural. Just like the Chinese have a cultural problem. The Japanese had to lose two wars before they recognised their cultural problems. Australian Aboriginal society, well they haven't learned yet.
     
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    But earlier you say:

    It pays for a day's tuition in a top English public school for some African President's daughter. Now that is unethical.

    I don't see the difference. Care to explain?
     
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    feed they bite coins
     
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    Spending $800 on a meal at a restaurant is a value choice. Values are life prioritising decisions. They're also entirely subjective. On their own they're not moral or immoral, but the manner in which the diner goes about earning that $800 to spend can be moral or immoral.

    People here value lumps of rock that sell for nearly $3000 an ounce. That money could be put to use saving koalas or kids in Africa. But it's not. Is that unethical?

    Now many a dictator's child has attended a wealthy public school in Europe or North America. And I know it's probably a bit of a generalisation, but Presidents of African nations are not known for their morality nor are those nations known for upholding a high standard of ethical practice.
     
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    The way the EU is working is gradually shaping what America is becoming:

    1) the unelected authoritarian puppet show (like in the EU parliament):
    - a reality show with unelected (or background-elected) shadow puppets that are running the country/economy and people "just watch"
    - the dumbest puppets will have the most power and authority
    - no, you won't have the power to change the puppets... "ordinary people" like us won't have the right to elect or vote, the elites are running the "Muppets" this time

    2) your vote doesn't matter (the decline of democracy):
    - popular vote and people, nations in general won't matter: their opinions won't matter, the majority won't have weight, because a small number of "technocrats & cleptocrats" will be the "new aristocrats" who will just impose what they want
    - yet, they will keep calling it "democracy"

    3) bread and circus (like the Romans said):
    - more entertainment and more "happy meals", more home delivery food service
    - universal basic income
    - total control of the media (otherwise you're the one who doesn't respect "freedom of speech") >>> schizophrenia
    - more "delicious digital gadgets", sports events, advertisements, reality shows and (impossible to listen to) ugly commercial music
    - enjoy, consume and SHUT UP! :D

    4) no possibility to change (total Orwellian "paradise"):
    - chipped, vaccinated, numbed down, bumbed people with high sugar and cholesterol won't be able to change the regime: no more voting rights
    - it will look "so nice" that you won't even notice that there's something wrong with the pink fog that you're living in (Google glass, "soylent green", universal basic income... more porn...), "if you don't like it, you're nuts!"
    - social credit score: SHUT UP :D (again) >>> no opinions, no ideas

    5) double standards and no respect for any right:
    - "just do as we say, don't do as we do"
    - the elites are "more equal" and don't have to respect the legal system
    - "you got your food and entertainment, what more do you want? SHUT UP!" :D
    - they will create new "rights" that are rather like "scooby snacks" and with that pretext, they will take your real rights away (example: no right to have an opinion, but you get basic income)
    - more censorship

    6) non-statal entity dictatorship over states:
    - look at what the EU is doing to its members: total rule by an unelected elite (some are from Goldman Sachs, others are from who knows where...), they get to say which state complies, which not
    - some call this "shadow governments", "deep state", whatever... but I think it's corporate fascism that is trying to rule the world


    The EU is the new Soviet Union with a "nicer packaging".
     
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    real fast
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  11. TreasureHunter

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    Great. I actually do that quite often. It's a bit like pasta, just much healthier :D

    Flavoring, seasoning and a tiny touch of meat can make a huge difference.

    It would be very easy to save millions from hunger in Africa, just that the elites aren't interested. Odd.
    The migrating masses should be helped "on location". Exactly where they live. The deserve a better life.

    The effort would be minimal. The new cold war is costing a lot more.
     
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    Catching ants and babies eating ant larvae. His channel is quite interesting. We have such ants locally. I used to catch them when I was younger. They make nests out of big leaves and it was fun breaking them apart. These are forest ants that eat leaves, not the types that live in the kitchen.

     
  13. JohnnyBravo300

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    Chickens are super easy to take care of but we have a rooster named Oro that wants to live inside with us.
    Hes a smaller Bantam breed and she thinks he gets picked on so she made him a place to sleep haha.
    He wakes me every morning at 530 am. He makes sure I'm never late, even on my days off.
     
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    An injection of positivity in human development
     
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  16. TreasureHunter

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    ^
    Are they going to make vaccines the new trend?

    Like: get a chip injected for UBM. Don't do it and die of hungry.
     
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    Gold barely holding the 1,800 $ level. What did I say earlier? :D

    It will dip. See if it can hold above 1,700 $...
     
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    I’ve been watching gold stocks past week, but the price haven’t fallen much. Need to wait for the stock market correction and hopefully gold spot doesn’t rise when that happens.
     
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    They are going to pump the vaccines now, through spring, summer next year. Already there is a competition between multiple vaccines.

    I think one of the best fiat currencies now is the CHF (safe haven due to the Swiss economy, while I see both the EUR and USD "shaky" due to the poor economic performances).

    Now, what I am guessing will happen following mass-vaccination: a boom-like heavy consumption ignition. Everyone will set off to travel, people will consume rabidly, more people will go to bars than there are places.

    People will go a wild rabid shopping-spree.

    This boom-like increase will lead to inflation. It's the national by-product of increased economic activity.

    I think many countries in the world could pick-up economic activity in 2021, 2022 and this will create seemingly impossible GDP growth rates: +20% will be frequent, especially on a quarter level. But this only means we're
    gradually getting closer to where we were. Although, it will create the illusion of 'real growth'.

    Economies could 'overheat', just like China's economy was overheating in the first decade of the 2000's. This will weaken the economies.

    I see massive consumption, but at the same time weaker industrial production. People will consume services and consumer products, tourism services etc. I don't think the car industry will recover fast, nor the airline industry.

    The keyword here: we could be on the road to inflation.

    If there will indeed be recovery, then people will have to consume, economies will need to grow. Interest rates will have to grow, gold will have to go down. But once inflation hits too high a level, investors will turn to gold again.

    (a POSSIBLE SCENATIO that could follow with the 'vaccination craze' next year)
     
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  20. JohnnyBravo300

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    I dont know what it's like where you are but the US is still losing almost a million jobs a week.
    Theres no recovery in sight here, were still adding to the misery.
    Hotels I stay at for work are ghost towns and weve recently been having issues with getting our gas cans stolen out of our work trucks, depends on where we are.
    My daughter is lucky enough to manage a liquor store but all of her friends are out of work and on unemployment that will end eventually.
    My son works with me and we are lucky to be working as well.
    Much worse times ahead for the US. People are starting to really feel it now.
    The second round of shutdowns are just beginning here and it will be devastating.
     

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