PAMP bars.. shiny or matte? (100k+ serial)

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  1. Foos

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    Just getting into stacking :) - bought a 1kg PAMP ag, and a 10oz.. (waiting on another PAMP, and a bunch of coins)

    A random question - has anyone noticed PAMP seems to have changed their design? the PAMP I purchased, is VERY matte in colour (not shiny at all) - and has what looks like a differrent kind of impression of the serial number (its made up of hundreds of dots - instead of looking pressed into the metal. The serial is 104xxx... , and it has "999.0" instead of "999"..

    Just seems very different than the photos i've seen around of the PAMP bars.. thoughts?
     
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    [​IMG]

    Here we go.

    Yes I removed the serial number - don't know what the protocol is on leaving them on here - does it matter at all ? :D
     
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    Yeah there are some very convincing fakes going arond at the moment..






    (joking ;) )
     
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    Quite possible (without knowing) that they've just increased their production capacity, and the new moulds are a different batch and produce a different finish. Given how many of these are being cranked out, they may have simply found a more efficient way to number them (looks like a dot-matrix print!) that helps shave some costs over possibly what was previously a manual task to number them.
     
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    heh not a fake - got it from Jenny @ Guardian..

    definitely different tho.

    Can someone take a photo of the front / back of theirs? Ihaven't found a good photo of the back of one :)

    and yes very dot-matrix like..
     
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    the dot matrix numbers are much harder to fake Harley Davidson have been using that method for years for their engine numbers because of the security features
     
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    It almost looksl ike it no longer has teh crystalisation effect? is this effect still visible with the new mould?
     
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    A few more. Still curious to see the back of the old ones.

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    [​IMG]there you go
     
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    definately can't see the crystalisation in that.
     
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    [​IMG]the front old style bar
     
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    Thanks renovator.

    Definitely looks different on the back..

    Seems there are the old shiny, 999 bars, new shiny 999.0 bars, and newer matte 999.0 bars.
     
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    what does crystallization look like?
     
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    I have found the same thing with some silver i bought today.

    The 1kg pamp silver bars were matte, the serial started with 1 instead of 0, and the serial number was 'dot matrix' instead of embedded.

    I found this on the following website: http://www.golddealer.com/pamp_bars.html

    "PAMP bullion bars are produced in either a poured form (mate finish with rounded edges looking like a traditional gold bar) or struck form (mirrored surfaces and squared corners). Each is very popular, trade for about the same price per ounce, and will equally fluctuate with the daily precious metals market."

    You can see matt gold and shiney gold bars in the link above. If you are in Melbourne check with these guys: http://www.wdavis.com.au/

    I hope that helps
     
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