2020 Collapse

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  1. TreasureHunter

    TreasureHunter Well-Known Member

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    Those are stale flawed inappropriate technical definitions lacking a lot.

    Communism and Fascism are both far-left-wing ideologies. Fascism is often confused with Nazism. Regardless, all three of them are disgusting.

    In fact, whats common in all of them is COLLECTIVIST CHAUVINISM. They're all based on hatred and a "fight against" some class/group/nation etc. They're intolerance brought to the peak of a pseudo-schience. Call it "ideology".

    An American author called Jonah Goldberg wrote a book called "Liberal Fascism":
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberal_Fascism
    "In the book, Goldberg argues that fascist movements were and are left-wing, in contrast to the mainstream view among historians and political scientists that maintains fascism is a far-right ideology."

    What's disgusting about Communism (and those who lived under it know very well), but the west and today's generation doesn't understand:
    1) you can say goodbye to "too much" private property (in Romania, for instance, they just "took" whatever they could from the ordinary people during the Communist regimes: land, house, tractors, whatever)
    2) limitation of ownership: there were rules regarding how many radios, TV's one could own (in some countries I believe even the number of cars owned was limited)
    3) you could rarely (if ever) travel abroad, because either you had no passport, but even if you have you needed visa and even if you had visa, your own country's dictatorial regime would limit you
    4) no freedom of speech: the REAL THING - not what liberals are saying nowadays (in fake news), but really, there was no freedom of speech (say one thing and you'll end up on the Gulag or tortured, executed, even)
    5) wide-spread poverty everywhere for everyone: sure, you can have some!
    6) scarcity of poor quality goods, almost nothing from import
    7) if you got lucky to travel abroad, you were either limited or not allowed to bring in "too many" expensive, high-quality western products (was the case with radios, TV's etc.)
    8) you had money, but nothing to buy except basic food items (IF they were available: North Korean scenario)
    9) informational isolation from the rest of the world (again, see North Korea, Communist Romania under Ceausescu)
    10) cultural censorship (in Communist China the theaters, cinemas, books, pretty much everything was heavily censored: you could have access to commie propaganda, but almost nothing else)
    11) no right to vote (if you rose up, you ended up with a scenario like 1956 in Hungary)
    12) no possibility for financial growth: not only because of poverty, but because of the stagnant (or declining) economy and, because of the communists' limitations
    13) power shortages
    14) central heating shortages
    15) water shortages or no warm water (see North Korea, Romania)
    16) forced labor: people (especially intellectuals) were forced to go do agricultural work (like picking potatoes etc.)
    17) poor or no entertainment
    18) limitation of movement (you were no allowed to drive on certain days or visit certain areas of the country or even to move to certain cities - Soviet Union, Romania)
    19) Communist "equality" literally meant that the dumb people were "equal" to intellectuals
    20) while Communism preaches "no social classes", there was an upper class: the COMMUNISTS! (they lived well, some were are rich as Hollywood stars)
    21) brainwashing of children in schools and kindergartens: all Communists did this, but it was unbearable in the Soviet Union, Hungary, East Germany, Romania, Cuba...
    22) Communists still thrive even 30 years after the fall of Communism: in Europe they're called "Liberals" and "Greens", "Ecologists" (not all of them, but the families of the elite Communists from Hungary, East Germany, Poland, Romania simply found a new umbrella for themselves), so Communists were indeed a "class", a mob, one might say (it is not just a regime that comes and goes, because many of the perpetrators are still rich and influential in countries like Hungary, Bulgaria, Poland, Romania...)
    23) Communism destroys rural life: generally they had the obsession to force people to move to cities thus, many communists have destroyed traditional rural life (and many villages as well)

    ...I could go on to 1,000+ with what Communism brings

    Unfortunately the young generations don't have a clue about the threat of Communism.

    No normal man would want to relive any form of Communism.
     
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    They didn't "save" anyone. They just "played chess". Like in Europe.

    What's odd is how the west (particularly Churchill) has played off Central and Eastern Europe to the Russians. Central Europe (East Germany, Poland, Hungary, the Czech Rep.) and you may add the Baltic States should never have been passed to the Soviets "on the tray like crunchy sandwiches".

    45 years of brutal communism followed.

    The west simply gave this "chunk" of Europe to Soviets. Now they're acting like they're going to "save Estonia", "save Poland", "save Lithuania" from the potential Russian threat.
     
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    Our politicians today are all of left leaning policies and with the merger of corparoate and government powers makes them all fascists.
    Thats a good example.
     
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    This is a more comprehensive version of the old Political Compass test than I've seen previously. Some here may find it interesting:

    https://www.politicalcompass.org

    My results:

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    just like the Romance of the Three Kingdoms :D there is always motifs behind their every moves
    US supported the Nationalist China, that lost to the Communist...then if the Soviet were to attack that Communist, then where will the Nationalist go back to ??? they will be needed at the UN for their permanent member support against the Soviet

    didn't China bailed out USA after 2008 crash by buying US Treasuries ?
    seems the wars setting get changed again

    the AI wars, is just ahead who would save who again
     
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    alor Well-Known Member Silver Stacker

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    when hard core Communist practitioners keep to the 10 planks of the manifesto...
    they label other people as Communist, just look at what they do
    https://famguardian.org/Subjects/Communism/Communism/CommunistManifesto.pdf the more updated one
    when you do all the above, then fascist you are :p
     
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    sgbuyer Well-Known Member Silver Stacker

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    This is my score. So, my gut feel is correct, authoritarianism = fascism.

    It's interesting how the main stream media tries to distort the definition of fascism until people today don't know what it is. Maybe the people controlling are fascist themselves?

    My results:

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    I'm more of a Gandhi

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    I’m just the herd. Singapore is actually a centre left society. 90% of local people taking the test will get the same score.

    Close to the centre, you get the benefits of both ends, and also the least of the negatives of both ends.

    Since there are no right political parties in Singapore, all parties here are centre left, I don’t even know what’s the difference between right and left in the past. Still learning.
     
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    I’d prefer that label under “Neo-liberalism” to be ”Individualism” or even “Capitalism” rather than “”Libertarianism “. :)
     
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    American politics is on the whole to the right. Even the Democratic party is only left wing in disguise. You can't be left wing if the people controlling it are the wealthiest people on earth. It doesn't make sense at all. The right bias in America might be the result of the cold war and soviet union. You want to be completely opposite of your political opponent. It worked 40 years ago. The trouble is the Cold War is over, and communism no longer exists. Even in North Korea, they have adopted a market economy system.

    The entire world now has a market economy system with varying degree of socialist policies. The real difference now is the vertical axis, authoritarianism vs liberalism and the world is slowly creeping upwards.
     
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    Force-based coercive rule that tramples upon the opinions of the citizens is authoritarianism. It can be left or right.

    The graph above was certainly made by a leftist. All leftist communists were and are authoritarian: Stalin, Castro, Hoxha, Kim Jong-Ul, Kim Jong-Un, Mao, Ceausescu, Tito, Honecker

    Fascism is indeed a left-wing extremist movement. Nazism is different and equally harmful, that's the right-wing extremism.

    Regardless, the two go hand-in-hand: Mussolini was fascist and Hitler was nazi.

    Communism is just as bad, it is another form of extremism.

    The modern leftism is an extremist leftism and is basically the same as Communism, just that now it's emerging in the west, not the east.
     
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    In Europe, Communists-Fascists-Nazis often collaborated with each other.
    Although, the 3 ideologies are different things, they have a lot in common.

    In Hungary, for example, there is the "House of Terror" Museum, which is dedicated to the victims of fascist and communist regimes that terrorized the country:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/House_of_Terror

    The "House of Terror" was the headquarter of the fascists and later the communist.

    You'd be surprised, but some fascists actually switched on to communism after the regime change.

    To me they're the same coin, just different sides.
     
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    Bullshit.

    And fascists can be left or right wing.
     
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    I once saw a documentary on youtube about Hitler and Stalin. They were good friends, both are fascists, and have much in common, but Hitler couldn't tolerate the existence of Jewish people in the soviet union. Stalin didn't realise that Hitler was a total lunatic so he got caught off guard when the Germans invaded.
     
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    Seems about right to me. A good test.

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    I'd be good mates with Gandhi.


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    another one that is just caught in a Japan moment
    https://www.rt.com/news/499984-serbia-embassy-move-facepalm/
    I pledged what? Serbian President Vucic seems surprised after Trump announces that Belgrade will move embassy to Jerusalem (VIDEO)
     

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